Rudall, Rose & Carte on eBay
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Rudall, Rose & Carte on eBay
I see that another RR&C flute has appeared for sale on eBay here. Its number 6093, so it looks like a new one for the register.
Its not mine, by the way. I'm just drawing attention to the existence of this serial number for the register.
Its not mine, by the way. I'm just drawing attention to the existence of this serial number for the register.
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Re: Rudall, Rose & Carte on eBay
Patently a Patent Head but has lost its silver crown cap.
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Re: Rudall, Rose & Carte on eBay
Oh? Is that what they look like if you take off the silver end cap? It's got very odd rings for a PH, hasn't it? and has lost one at the end of the barrel. Another thing - and this is total ignorance on my part, partly because my PH flutes don't look like that - where the barrel is split, you can see that there is nothing inside - no liner, no mechanism. Is that because, at the foot of the barrel, there is no mechanism? Just curious ... As I say, mine just don't look like that, but then, they're lined. I thought all PHs were, but maybe not ...jemtheflute wrote:Patently a Patent Head but has lost its silver crown cap.
Jem - you usually are able to point out where I am looking at the thing wrong. Could you do so here as well please?
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Old threads here on PHs, Ben, if you want the anatomy, though the Photobucket debacle probably means they've lost most of their illustrations. Plus relevant pages on Terry's website and some threads on the FB Flute History Channel.
I've no time for now to look mote closely at the eBay flute.
I've no time for now to look mote closely at the eBay flute.
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Yes, I know about the links on the anatomy - I suppose I just haven't seen the end bit looking like that before ... plus, as I say, mine are lined, which makes the bottom end of the barrel look different. Anyway, I'll go away and study.jemtheflute wrote:Old threads here on PHs, Ben, if you want the anatomy, though the Photobucket debacle probably means they've lost most of their illustrations. Plus relevant pages on Terry's website and some threads on the FB Flute History Channel.
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Ok, I've looked a bit more. The rings certainly aren't the normal Rudall style ones, having flat flanges, but they appear to be consistent. They all appear to be loose, but none missing, even the tenon end rings. The barrel socket liner with its ring has pulled out and is sitting on the upper body upper tenon. The head lower ring is loose and sitting against the barrel upper barrel one. The flat ring on the head is a crack repair attempt. Only the crown is missing.
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Re: Rudall, Rose & Carte on eBay
Here is a similar fancy ring style used from R&R
sure you know already Jem, just for pointing out those are probably original.
sure you know already Jem, just for pointing out those are probably original.
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Yes, I've seen fancy rings on Rudalls before - but, personally, I haven't seen them on a PH flute. (I don't think I have, anyway.)
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Re: Rudall, Rose & Carte on eBay
Nice flute. I have it in the register now. First time I've seen an original box with a certificate signed Rudall Rose Carte & Co. with a serial number also.
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Yes, I didn't doubt the rings were original, and thanks for the reminder that we've seen similar before, Francesco, but these are not common on Rudall flutes.
Ben, did my explanation of the barrel socket liner solve your confusion?
This is certainly a lovely flute - needing a major restoration of the PH. I'm not sure, but I think possibly the wooden head tube is twisted around on the internal metal parts......
If it wasn't in the US I'd be tempted.
Ben, did my explanation of the barrel socket liner solve your confusion?
This is certainly a lovely flute - needing a major restoration of the PH. I'm not sure, but I think possibly the wooden head tube is twisted around on the internal metal parts......
If it wasn't in the US I'd be tempted.
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Not initially, but I've read it again, and it makes sense now.jemtheflute wrote:Ben, did my explanation of the barrel socket liner solve your confusion?
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Re: Rudall, Rose & Carte on eBay
That key work is very reminiscent of Henry Wylde's work. Particularly the clearance made between the key and the spring on the C and long F keys.
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That clearance was typical R&R regardless of craftsman.Flutesoftheforest wrote:That key work is very reminiscent of Henry Wylde's work. Particularly the clearance made between the key and the spring on the C and long F keys.
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Also likely; a stripped key way in the head joint It would be a fun weekend project...jemtheflute wrote:Patently a Patent Head but has lost its silver crown cap.
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U$1,892/£1,382. Not bad for a flute needing a major head rebuild job.
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