"SquealIng" in ITM?

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"Squealing" ? - if so, I love it.

https://youtu.be/ZbnuIYp6HsI
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Here's a whole session with squeals...

And some may be US lawyers.

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If Ó Gráda provides the examples, then I'm willing to be confident that keithsandra is referring to that sort of tone in a given note that expresses a ton of harmonics. It's done by overblowing in a way that the upper octave is not fully entered into, and a "creaky voice" happens. And yes, it's a lovely thing. As a beginner I desperately wanted to be able to do that, so I was most pleased when I finally learned how. You might be surprised to learn that it's not considered sloppy playing; it takes a certain amount of control to get it right. :)

But again, I can only guess as to what keithsandra means. :cry:
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kenny wrote:"Squealing" ? - if so, I love it.

https://youtu.be/ZbnuIYp6HsI
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Nanohedron, can you give us an example of what you think I might be talking about?

This might be a good time to add that I find 'it' only happening in fast ITM, so far as can tell anecdotally.

Just to sum up my conclusion so far - as there are so many (presumably ITM players) saying they they don't know what I'm talking about, and a few who seem to think they do but would prefer another word, I think 'it' exists and is an acceptable and appreciated part of the tradition of some ITM.

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keithsandra wrote:Nanohedron, can you give us an example of what you think I might be talking about?
Back to that vid of Conal Ó Gráda that bigsciota provided: there's some pedal point (wrong terminology, maybe?) at 3:10, BGAG, where the Gs are overblown. Of course Conal does this all over - it's something he's noted for - but it's not random by any means, and I think this little BGAG run suggests overblowing's artistic potential nicely. I have never actually heard a universal word for it, unless it's "overblowing". We need something catchier and fresher-sounding than that stodgy word. I propose "spanking". Spank that note. :wink:

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Keithsandra, are you talking about this kind of thing perhaps, where players jump octaves or slide up to really high notes in the middle of playing? https://youtu.be/dfsGC--RizI?t=3m17s Also perfectly acceptable.
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Nanohedron wrote:
keithsandra wrote: If your world is limited to knowing only one set of standards, that's how your thinking runs, too.
I'm getting the impression that particular sound could be standard ITM. That's what I wanted to know. Thank you all.

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This must be the strangest thread in years. I just don't get it.. If you want to ask a question about something you have to let the potensial contributors know what on earth you are asking about.. But it seems you got your answer even though no-one knows what the question was.
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keithsandra wrote:Nanohedron, can you give us an example of what you think I might be talking about?

This might be a good time to add that I find 'it' only happening in fast ITM, so far as can tell anecdotally.

Just to sum up my conclusion so far - as there are so many (presumably ITM players) saying they they don't know what I'm talking about, and a few who seem to think they do but would prefer another word, I think 'it' exists and is an acceptable and appreciated part of the tradition of some ITM.

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I think that if you are drawing any conclusion from the responses it is in your own mind. Most of the posts from others has been to guess at what the devil you are talking about since you have provided no specifics, and refuse to. It seems to be more a post to draw attention than to ask a question or illuminate a technique. To ask a question is to put yourself out there which for some reason you are unwilling to do.
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"Just to sum up my conclusion so far - as there are so many (presumably ITM players) saying they they don't know what I'm talking about, and a few who seem to think they do but would prefer another word, I think 'it' exists and is an acceptable and appreciated part of the tradition of some ITM"

I fail to see your logic. If none of the flute players who have responded know what you're talking about, I'd say it's more likely that "it" [ whatever "it" - "squealing" - is ], is a myth of your imagination, and doesn't exist, certainly not as far as this particular community of players is concerned.
If you've got the answer you were looking for, I'm very happy for you.
Personally, I'm none the wiser, and I don't think I'm the only one.
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kenny wrote:Personally, I'm none the wiser, and I don't think I'm the only one.
Personally, I feel considerably less wiser. :-?
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The pot having been stirred so coyly, where is our soup?
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I, for one, am very happy, because that link led to a lot of Conal O Gráda videos I didn't know existed!
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