Bagpipe recommendation

AaronMalcomb · Post by **AaronMalcomb** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:15 pm

I have a friend who really wants to play a bagpipe but the question is which variety. She is a life long Baroque recorder and Boehm flute player and also plays some whistle and keyless flute.

We tried Highland but she can't handle the pressure... requirements. It aggravates her chronic sinus problems. A bellows variety of Scottish pipe is a possibility but the Scottish fingering system is a challenge to translate from recorder and flute.

An instructor at an Early Music workshop whipped out a gaita galega and she thought that was a good possibility. The open fingering and scale appealed to her sensibilities. Anybody know of a gaita galega fingered whistle?

So we're looking for something low pressure, probably with a more open fingering style that can do a variety of folk and early music genres.

Any suggestions?

Yuri · Post by **Yuri** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:20 am

There are a number of makers, mostly in Germany that make low pressure pipes of various kinds with recorder fingering. Usually any "Hummelchen" type pipes will fit this pattern. They are all specifically aimed at the early music scene. A number of French pipes are also quite close in fingering patterns.
I would push myself forward, too, but just as yet, while I made some pipes with recorder fingerings, but louder tone than usual SP or hummelchen ones, alas, I do not yet offer them for sale. (sniff)

MarcusR · Post by **MarcusR** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:44 am

Anything with half closed "french" fingering ought to be close enough for a recorder player.

Hümmelchen or Dudey by Andreas Rogge

Sounds nice with low volume.

Other makers I heard very good things about are Alban Faust, Helmut Mossmann,
Jürgen Ross and Budo Schultz but I'm sure there are more options around.

You can also check with Jan (aka Liraman here on C&F) as he has a solid knowledge of playing baroque
and renaissance music on bagpies

/MarcusR

Yuri · Post by **Yuri** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:26 am

Marcus, 1 c4n r34d 1t, 4nd 1 h4d b33n l41d r3c3ntly. Wh4t h4pp3ns n0w?

MarcusR · Post by **MarcusR** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:21 am

Yuri wrote:Marcus, 1 c4n r34d 1t, 4nd 1 h4d b33n l41d r3c3ntly. Wh4t h4pp3ns n0w?

reply:

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Cheers!

/MarcusR

Tjones · Post by **Tjones** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:12 am

Aaron,

I got a set of renaissance pipes from Sam Coulter, athttp://www.dancingstickmen.com/ They are low preasure. They sound good. They have open fingering like a D whistle. I did have him add a F natural thumb hole. I think he makes a good insturment. He does a varity of different styles of pipes, I think they are all mouth blown. My pipes can be seen on his commets page.http://www.dancingstickmen.com/comments.html

Tom

AaronMalcomb · Post by **AaronMalcomb** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:07 am

Thanks for the suggestions. I think there are some good options here.

littlejohngael · Post by **littlejohngael** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:15 am

MarcusR wrote:
Yuri wrote:Marcus, 1 c4n r34d 1t, 4nd 1 h4d b33n l41d r3c3ntly. Wh4t h4pp3ns n0w?
reply:

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Cheers!

/MarcusR

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LJ

Yuri · Post by **Yuri** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:59 pm

Marcus,
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So what?

MTGuru · Post by **MTGuru** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:04 am

0x4c 0x4f 0x4c 0x21, Mr. uilleann.

Yuri, think ASCII ...

# Perl decoder for Marcus' reply:
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CHasR · Post by **CHasR** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:33 am

MTGuru wrote:0x4c 0x4f 0x4c 0x21, Mr. uilleann.

Yuri, think ASCII ...

# Perl decoder for Marcus' reply:
foreach (split(/\s/, <>)) { print pack("B8", $_); }

save it for the geek lab. We're TALKIN BAGPIPES HERE!!!

MarcusR · Post by **MarcusR** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:15 am

MTGuru wrote:0x4c 0x4f 0x4c 0x21, Mr. uilleann.

So you not only a great whistle player but also a Hexa master, MTGuru.

littlejohngael wrote:
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LJ

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or as MTGuru would say:
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Have a nice one all!

/MarcusR

AaronMalcomb · Post by **AaronMalcomb** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:40 am

All of that computer jibber-jabber makes bagpipe talk sound like sports or car talk... nerds

CHasR · Post by **CHasR** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:57 pm

AaronMalcomb wrote:All of that computer jibber-jabber makes bagpipe talk sound like sports or car talk... nerds

stretches out the screen, too.

Have you looked at Paul Beekhuizen's work:
http://www.paulbeekhuizen.nl/
I've heard his instruments in person, they're not particularly high pressure.

BUT you can get 2800CPS out of a 1.2 litre double underarm bag (composite reeded) with a single-wing flapper valve. Betcha the average audience approval point-spread rating (AAAPSR) is like, at least 1 in 5 on that... Pass the cigars.

pancelticpiper · Post by **pancelticpiper** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:52 am

As mentioned above, the gaita gallega's fingering is quite similar to that of the recorder, including the use of the thumb to get notes in the upper octave. Many early-music players who are used to recorders, shawms, crumhorns, etc, take to the gaita gallega very quickly. Actually recorders are used sometimes at gaita lessons to teach tunes, as you can use gaita fingering on a recorder.