Glenn Schultz sound file -- which key is this accordion in?
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Glenn Schultz sound file -- which key is this accordion in?
I play a keyless flute and have been interested in a button accordion for some time--it seems there are a number of folks who play flute and some form of squeezebox.
I've read the pros and cons of B/C versus C#/D button accordions, but I'm not clear on the difference in sound. I found this soundfile of the late Glenn Schultz and friends, and I'm curious as to what key this accordion is in. Can someone tell from listening, and if so, how? Second, is this a wet tuning, or dry?
Finally, can you recommend somewhere online that I can find sound samples that would allow a good comparison of the two? Thanks!
This is the web address:
http://www.thinweasel.com/music.html Click on 1. Red Admiral Butterfly/Miss Pringle’s Reel (Glenn Wrote this one)/Teetotaler’s Reel
I've read the pros and cons of B/C versus C#/D button accordions, but I'm not clear on the difference in sound. I found this soundfile of the late Glenn Schultz and friends, and I'm curious as to what key this accordion is in. Can someone tell from listening, and if so, how? Second, is this a wet tuning, or dry?
Finally, can you recommend somewhere online that I can find sound samples that would allow a good comparison of the two? Thanks!
This is the web address:
http://www.thinweasel.com/music.html Click on 1. Red Admiral Butterfly/Miss Pringle’s Reel (Glenn Wrote this one)/Teetotaler’s Reel
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Hi David,
Imho, i don't think it's a good idea to choose an accordion based on a sound clip.
You're better off to get one in the same key as your nearest ITM accordion teacher. And if you need a plane to get there, or if it's really too far, than it's better to choose B/C, because there isn't any tutorial material on C#/D.
Imho, i don't think it's a good idea to choose an accordion based on a sound clip.
You're better off to get one in the same key as your nearest ITM accordion teacher. And if you need a plane to get there, or if it's really too far, than it's better to choose B/C, because there isn't any tutorial material on C#/D.
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Hard to tell which it is from the clip mainly because of the other melody instruments. From the articulation in Teetotaller's I would guess (but with no guarantees) that the tune was being played on a D row. This doesn't necessarily mean it's a C#/D box, though - it might be a D/G, for example. It doesn't sound very wet, but it's not totally dry, either. Possibly a "swing" tuning - which is easy on most people's ears I find.
I wouldn't (and didn't) choose a system based on the availability of teachers or teaching material.
Depending on your musical experience and capacity for learning on your own, it is quite possible to learn the box without formal teaching. But having someone to ask questions of and give you occasional guidance is a good idea.
But this doesn't have to be someone playing the same system - an experienced B/C player will be able to give a C#/D learner a lot of help with basic technique, and vice versa. When I first started I got some invaluable pointers from a Québécois box player who plays one-row D and ADG boxes. If you want formal lessons, teaching you tunes note by note, that's another matter.
I think you ought to do a bit more research than looking for clips online. But many record companies and online stores have clips to listen to. For C#/D style, you could look for clips of Jackie Daly, Mairtin O Connor, Andrew Mac Namara and Conor Keane for starters. B/C players: Joe Burke, Billy McComiskey, Mary Rafferty, and the majority of other Irish players.
Steve
I wouldn't (and didn't) choose a system based on the availability of teachers or teaching material.
Depending on your musical experience and capacity for learning on your own, it is quite possible to learn the box without formal teaching. But having someone to ask questions of and give you occasional guidance is a good idea.
But this doesn't have to be someone playing the same system - an experienced B/C player will be able to give a C#/D learner a lot of help with basic technique, and vice versa. When I first started I got some invaluable pointers from a Québécois box player who plays one-row D and ADG boxes. If you want formal lessons, teaching you tunes note by note, that's another matter.
I think you ought to do a bit more research than looking for clips online. But many record companies and online stores have clips to listen to. For C#/D style, you could look for clips of Jackie Daly, Mairtin O Connor, Andrew Mac Namara and Conor Keane for starters. B/C players: Joe Burke, Billy McComiskey, Mary Rafferty, and the majority of other Irish players.
Steve
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some clips to start, most are brief though
B/C
John Williams, Steam
http://www.emusic.com/album/10862/10862093.html
Paddy O'Brien, Stranger at the Gate
http://www.emusic.com/album/10862/10862076.html
Joe Burke, The Funny Reel
http://www.emusic.com/album/10586/10586784.html
Johnny B Connolly, Bridgetown
http://www.emusic.com/album/10862/10862022.html
James Keane, (various) (I think he plays B/C, might be wrong though)
http://www.emusic.com/artist/10564/10564293.html
Josephine Marsh, Josephine Marsh
http://www.taramusic.com/sleevenotes/cd4008.htm
C#/D (or D/D#, same fingerings)
Tony MacMahon, Traditional Irish Accordion
http://www.emusic.com/album/10586/10586463.html
Patrick Street with Jackie Daly,(various albums)
http://www.emusic.com/artist/11590/11590525.html
Arcady with Jackie Daly, After the Ball
http://www.emusic.com/album/10586/10586395.html
Arcady with Conor Keane, Many Happy Returns
http://www.emusic.com/album/10606/10606154.html
Mairtin O'Connor, Chatterbox
http://www.emusic.com/album/10601/10601078.html
Sharon Shannon, (various)
http://www.emusic.com/artist/11590/11590048.html
Brendan Begley, We Won't Go Home Til Morning (also D Melodeon)
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process ... =nsa&nsa=1
Seamus Begley, Meitheal (two full-length clips)
http://www.solitairestudio.com/hummingbird-records.htm
D/C#
Joe Derrane, The Tie That Binds
http://www.emusic.com/album/10586/10586583.html
B/C
John Williams, Steam
http://www.emusic.com/album/10862/10862093.html
Paddy O'Brien, Stranger at the Gate
http://www.emusic.com/album/10862/10862076.html
Joe Burke, The Funny Reel
http://www.emusic.com/album/10586/10586784.html
Johnny B Connolly, Bridgetown
http://www.emusic.com/album/10862/10862022.html
James Keane, (various) (I think he plays B/C, might be wrong though)
http://www.emusic.com/artist/10564/10564293.html
Josephine Marsh, Josephine Marsh
http://www.taramusic.com/sleevenotes/cd4008.htm
C#/D (or D/D#, same fingerings)
Tony MacMahon, Traditional Irish Accordion
http://www.emusic.com/album/10586/10586463.html
Patrick Street with Jackie Daly,(various albums)
http://www.emusic.com/artist/11590/11590525.html
Arcady with Jackie Daly, After the Ball
http://www.emusic.com/album/10586/10586395.html
Arcady with Conor Keane, Many Happy Returns
http://www.emusic.com/album/10606/10606154.html
Mairtin O'Connor, Chatterbox
http://www.emusic.com/album/10601/10601078.html
Sharon Shannon, (various)
http://www.emusic.com/artist/11590/11590048.html
Brendan Begley, We Won't Go Home Til Morning (also D Melodeon)
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process ... =nsa&nsa=1
Seamus Begley, Meitheal (two full-length clips)
http://www.solitairestudio.com/hummingbird-records.htm
D/C#
Joe Derrane, The Tie That Binds
http://www.emusic.com/album/10586/10586583.html
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Good stuff!
Thanks for the info, especially the sound clip references--right now I'm congratulating myself for having asked for those--didn't know all that was available for the sampling.
My wife and I are leaving for Africa for about two months, so I'm not going to jump into a purchase. However,when we return I'd like to get one, and I'm leaning toward the Dancemaster ST-M or the Hohner Double-Ray. Any gut responses to those as entry-level instruments that will hold value? Anything else you'd recommend for under $1,000? Thanks for the info.
My wife and I are leaving for Africa for about two months, so I'm not going to jump into a purchase. However,when we return I'd like to get one, and I'm leaning toward the Dancemaster ST-M or the Hohner Double-Ray. Any gut responses to those as entry-level instruments that will hold value? Anything else you'd recommend for under $1,000? Thanks for the info.
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For an example of that old-time 4-voice wet sound, here's B/C pioneer Paddy O'Brien (RIP, from Tipperary):
http://juneberry78s.com/sounds/Paddy%20 ... assies.mp3
http://juneberry78s.com/sounds/Paddy%20 ... assies.mp3
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Here's a another clue about famous players and what box they're playing.
it's in french, but it's not too hard to figure out.
http://lgendrot.club.fr/musiciens/musiciens.htm
it's in french, but it's not too hard to figure out.
http://lgendrot.club.fr/musiciens/musiciens.htm
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The giveaway for me was the two series of descending triplets in the second part of Teetotaller - gf#e in the first phrase, f#ed in the second. Both are legato in the clip. Odd as it seems at first sight, you can play gf#e without changing bellows direction on both a C#/D and a B/C box, but f#ed on neither.Bretton wrote:I think the B/C or piano accordion guesses are probably correct...didn't sound like a melodeon or C#/D.
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You're right, I hadn't noticed that. There is one possibility I didn't consider: it's a multi-row diatonic box in a flat key. Hohner "Club" models with 2½ rows pitched in Bb/Eb are reasonably common and on these boxes it is apparently possible to obtain an entire scale on the pull. There's one on ebay at the moment, item # 7415105511.Congratulations wrote:Am I remembering incorrectly, or is that clip in Eb? And does that have an impact of what type of accordion it could be?
The other explanations I can think of seem less likely: a) the clip is speeded up b) the PA player is an expert at playing in unusual keys c) it's a CBA (continental chromatic button accordion, on which transposing is simply a matter of shifting your hand position).
Perhaps David should contact Glenn's family and enlighten us all!
Steve