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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:24 pm 
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colomon wrote:
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Moreover, I like the sound of the Stagi better - the Jackie is loud and strident, more like a "real" concertina I guess, but certainly not mellow sounding like my Lachenal.

I don't play concertina, but I have a good friend who's got a Dipper, and I would never ever describe it as "loud and strident". "Sweet and mellow", sure.

I thought the strident ones were less expensive concertinas with accordion reeds, and the stridency was considered bad?


Sol,

Well, loud is not necessarily bad but by stridency I mean a sort of harshness. Of course, I am referring only to the Jackie, the sound of which has been characterized by some as being closer to a concertina-reeded instrument rather than the accordion-reeded instrument that it is. My Stagi is more mellow and much quieter (which, of course, some would regard as a fault). I have a Lachenal as well and it is as loud as the Jackie but sweet and mellow, like you say.

By the way, how are you coming along on the Weltmeister?

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I am referring only to the Jackie, the sound of which has been characterized by some as being closer to a concertina-reeded instrument rather than the accordion-reeded instrument that it is.

I've heard a Jackie, and I wouldn't say that at all. They spacing of the buttons is designed to be the same as traditional concertinas, but the sound is VERY accordion-reeded sounding.


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I am referring only to the Jackie, the sound of which has been characterized by some as being closer to a concertina-reeded instrument rather than the accordion-reeded instrument that it is.

I've heard a Jackie, and I wouldn't say that at all. They spacing of the buttons is designed to be the same as traditional concertinas, but the sound is VERY accordion-reeded sounding.


Wim Wakker has designed accordion-reeded concertinas with acoustic properties that make them sound more like "real" concertinas. In my opinion, the Jackie does sound more like a real concertina (but with the bit of harshness that I mentioned) than a Stagi. Though blasphemy to concertina buffs, some folks actually prefer the sound of accordion-reeded instruments like the Stagi to that of real concertinas.

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Wim Wakker has designed accordion-reeded concertinas with acoustic properties that make them sound more like "real" concertinas. In my opinion, the Jackie does sound more like a real concertina (but with the bit of harshness that I mentioned) than a Stagi. Though blasphemy to concertina buffs, some folks actually prefer the sound of accordion-reeded instruments like the Stagi to that of real concertinas.

Ah! You're thinking of the Geuns-Wakker concertinas, an entirely different beast from the Jackie. The Jackie is made in China to Wakker's specifications, but doesn't have high-quality modified accordion reeds like the Geuns-Wakker concertinas. I play a Geuns-Wakker concertina, and I've played a Jackie, and believe me, they're very different. The Geuns-Wakker does have a bit of that old concertina sound, I don't think the Jackie does at all. But that's "as designed."

I agree, the accordion sound isn't worse, just different. I also prefer it in some settings.


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By the way, how are you coming along on the Weltmeister?

Well, I'm still focusing on one-row playing at the moment, so I'm not taking full advantage of it. (Though I've experimented a bit, and it seems surprisingly natural to go to the outer row for accidentals.) But it's very nice to have. Remarkable how much more air-tight it is than the other boxes we have around; things that would be impossible on them spring out very nicely on it.

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colomon wrote:
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By the way, how are you coming along on the Weltmeister?

Well, I'm still focusing on one-row playing at the moment, so I'm not taking full advantage of it. (Though I've experimented a bit, and it seems surprisingly natural to go to the outer row for accidentals.) But it's very nice to have. Remarkable how much more air-tight it is than the other boxes we have around; things that would be impossible on them spring out very nicely on it.


Good to hear. Incidentally, have you seen these folks? -

http://www.irishdancemaster.com/accordion.html

I thought of you and the Weltmeister when I saw that they retune to reduce wetness.

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I'm pretty sure I was on their webpage once a year or two ago -- it all looks familiar. For some reason (though I wouldn't do it with any accordion I have!) I'm amused at the thought of changing the tuning to something really weird, like A#/B. :)

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