Nanohedron wrote:I pointed this out to a Japanese friend, but - probably because it was too close to home for him to see it - he simply couldn't grasp what I was talking about, and insisted I was wrong.
I would like to suggest that you both were wrong, and weren't wrong. What follows is not a new idea, and I probably won't express it very well, but it used to be an intensely studied area amongst linguists, philosophers and students of literature, in the late 70s. As I recall, it formed part of the arguments of the structuralists.
From all of this discussion of various accents and what we are each hearing, it is becoming apparent to me that, whilst we each think that we are hearing things very clearly, we are hearing very different things. I think that there are things that Americans are hearing in Devon speech that, to us, very clearly are not there. We are hearing something completely different, that appears to be missing in what Americans are hearing. (Specifically, by the way, this seems to apply to vowel sounds, which are critical to the enormous variety of accents in Britain and Ireland.) Also, there appear to be things in some of the examples of American speech that we are hearing which, to American ears, clearly are not there. What I am suggesting is that all of these things may be right - that what we actually hear is in part determined by our own upbringing, background and culture; that there are things that one set of people can hear, which, from an objective point of view, are simply not present in what a separate group of people hear.
Something like the above is the only explanation I can come up with for some of the jarringly discordant ideas on this subject between one side of the pond and the other.
By the way, I've looked at many, many pages discussing the loss of rhotic 'r' in England now. Literally, the only people who theorise that it was anything to do with Hanoverian monarchs are Americans. All British commentators, that I have found, point out, sometimes forcefully, that it was a gradual process, starting even before the 15c, and that the influence of monarchs, whom the vast majority of the population would never even hear, is likely to have been minimal. It's certainly illogical to argue that it was to do with the Hanoverians, since, at the time of the first Hanoverian ascendant to the throne, George I, the German language itself was still rhotic. George I never spoke English at all; George II spoke English only fairly badly, it being his second language; George III was the first Hanoverian monarch to be born in England. By then the loss of rhotic 'r' was already well advanced in large parts of the east of England, particularly, of course, the south east. But, strangely, over this period of time, people didn't start speaking German.