Re: Seriously!?
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:55 pm
In Montreal, we had "frozen dogsh!t reappears" season for about 3 weeks of late March every year.
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That's a structural feature of delurking in online fora. You know us way better than we know you. We're used to it, however, and will rapidly adjust now that you've started posting more frequently.AaronFW wrote:Since I've mostly been watching from the background and reading posts, rather than posting. In doing so, I feel a bit more familiar with you guys than I really am but I haven't made myself known to you guys either and as a result my joking failed.
Fair enough.s1m0n wrote:That's a structural feature of delurking in online fora. You know us way better than we know you. We're used to it, however, and will rapidly adjust now that you've started posting more frequently.AaronFW wrote:Since I've mostly been watching from the background and reading posts, rather than posting. In doing so, I feel a bit more familiar with you guys than I really am but I haven't made myself known to you guys either and as a result my joking failed.
Like the many of the tunes that whistle players enjoy. The appreciation haiku by many here always struck me as entirely consistent with other aesthetic preferences exhibited.Nanohedron wrote:... you get the whole package without having to resort to bigger forms such as sonnets and such... ... challenging precisely because of the brevity and metric requirements involved. Crafting a good one in the best sense is not really the easiest thing to do...
Outside of Japan, that's usually the case. Here in the West, we naturally think that such a short form couldn't really be worth anything, and so we write it off. Part of the reason for this incomprehension is that Haiku's goals are way different from poetry as we think of it in the West. Consequently, general education ensures that most of the time people aren't going to really know more until they look into it for themselves.AaronFW wrote:To Nano:
Thanks for the thorough haiku explanation. It really is great to have a much more thorough explanation. In my education, I think we talked about haikus for one day in middle school and that was the full extent. So, I had never learned to take them seriously.
Here you seem to be onto a better direction. I'm able to get more of a sense of your Now, but that might be me imposing it, because I'm not sure that that's what you were really doing. If you'll indulge me, let's touch on the issues I see here:AaronFW wrote:I will try once more
To give an image in verse.
Empty as the tree.
I'm not sure, but come to think of it, I may have compared dance tunes to haiku before.david_h wrote:Like the many of the tunes that whistle players enjoy. The appreciation haiku by many here always struck me as entirely consistent with other aesthetic preferences exhibited.Nanohedron wrote:... you get the whole package without having to resort to bigger forms such as sonnets and such... ... challenging precisely because of the brevity and metric requirements involved. Crafting a good one in the best sense is not really the easiest thing to do...
Darkness surroundsNanohedron wrote:Okay, it's been pointed out to me, and rightly so, that the above isn't really haiku in the true sense of the word, and I concur.
Being slapstick and lacking a reflective quality and nature reference, it's actually either haikai or senryu, but to tell the truth, I was never really 100% clear on the difference. Same goes for the fruit flies and my defeated cat: those really ought to be called senryu, I think.
I promise to be more careful from here on.
There is a veiled reference here that is going to be too vague and situational for anyone other than me to get: when I wrote this I was sitting in a dark room with only my laptop as illumination. So the laptop was both the literal and metaphorical means of illumination.AaronFW wrote:
Darkness surrounds
Cold, barren, lost, hopeless,
Illuminated
An analogy for our times. Since the birth of the Internet, much indeed has come to light as never even dreamt of before. But the good comes with the bad, and the true with the false. With such a democratic medium, filtered light is to be expected, I suppose.AaronFW wrote:So the laptop was both the literal and metaphorical means of illumination.
What is that? Nothing like a haiku at any rate. Wrong scansion, no rhythm, no natural reference, no change in the last line. Hardly even a verse.AaronFW wrote:Nanohedron wrote: Darkness surrounds
Cold, barren, lost, hopeless,
Illuminated
I agree it isn’t great. I will keep at it. I probably need to read more haiku before trying to craft more of my ownbenhall.1 wrote:What is that? Nothing like a haiku at any rate. Wrong scansion, no rhythm, no natural reference, no change in the last line. Hardly even a verse.AaronFW wrote: Darkness surrounds
Cold, barren, lost, hopeless,
Illuminated
(Also, I still feel like apologizing for before. I really was just interested in the history of haikus as a part of C&F.)benhall.1 wrote:The trouble with haiku in English is that they are always a compromise. There are some more or less established guidelines, but for me, as a first step, I keep to 3 'rules ' : 5, 7, 5, reflection on nature and in the third line, a different theme which nevertheless pulls the whole thing together. That last is difficult, but important, in my view.