Why do people get offended ?
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Why do people get offended ?
Say I call you a lazy drunk, you may get offended ,but why? Either you are a lazy drunk and I am telling you the truth ,so why get offended or that I am telling lies so why would you get offended that I am a liar?
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Re: Why do people get offended ?
Convince me that the words "lazy drunk" aren't meant to offend.
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Re: Why do people get offended ?
Even if they are meant to offend ,is that a reason to be offended? Either its true or I am a liar .
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Re: Why do people get offended ?
To be fair to Rory, his question has made me stop and think. Then again, I think Nano may have provided at least part of the answer. I think the intent to offend is important in this.
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Re: Why do people get offended ?
Hey I'm Irish, now I am offended.benhall.1 wrote: The lazy, dunderheaded, Scottish piper. ]
Would you mind explaining why intent is important .
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Re: Why do people get offended ?
True. But this truth doesn't let you off the hook for your hand in it. You can set up the argument as if all its parts exist in a vacuum, as you have done here, but since all things and events are mutually dependent - no exceptions - it is a (self)deceptive if common way to argue a case, particularly a social one. Calling another person weak for being offended rather conveniently deflects the focus away from oneself, and oneself is the only thing one should be working on. Ultimately you don't have any control over another's inner workings, but you do have a say in your own. Don't be concerned with what another person needs to work on. Motes and beams, as the saying goes. YOU, not someone else, are the one who shouldn't be offended, but judging by the topic I think you may have already begun to realize this for yourself.rorybbellows wrote:Even if they are meant to offend ,is that a reason to be offended? Either its true or I am a liar .
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Re: Why do people get offended ?
I think it is, and I say that partly because that's what actually seems to happen between people. If somebody says something that's just slagging, or teasing between pals, then no offence is taken whatever actual words are used (or at least that's often the case). But something which is intended to wound often does, maybe partly because it is offensive to think that someone might dislike me (or you, or whoever) enough to want to offend me.rorybbellows wrote:Hey I'm Irish, now I am offended.benhall.1 wrote: The lazy, dunderheaded, Scottish piper. ]
Would you mind explaining why intent is important .
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I think there is probably more to it, but I can't think quite what that is right now ...
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Re: Why do people get offended ?
I have to ask, why is it not?rorybbellows wrote:Would you mind explaining why intent is important .
To say intent is unimportant is to ignore the reality behind one's purpose. It's a question of why you are really there in the first place. It has nothing to do with truth, lies, or any absolute value thereof. You don't call someone a lazy drunk because because it's provable; you say it to put them down, and to put yourself above them. I think the need to do that is an even more important issue than whether the lazy drunk gets offended.
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Re: Why do people get offended ?
Which of the above conditions do you think makes a statement inoffensive? It's likely more offensive if it's true than if it isn't.rorybbellows wrote:Either its true or I am a liar .
Offense is wounded pride. Under the first condition, the wound is that a secret* is being exposed. Under the second, the wound is that the offender is peddling a lie that others might believe, or shock at the offender's apparent intent to wound.
*Even if it's a secret only to the offendee.
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Re: Why do people get offended ?
As to the meat and bones of the question, "Why do people get offended?", context matters. In the case that Rory has offered, I say the root reason is personal insecurity.
I think being offended on behalf of someone else is more complicated, but not necessarily by much. If you come to my aid when someone is insulting me, it's an act of loyalty or at least support, and while I appreciate the love, I've asked my friends not to do that, because it gets in the way of my being able to address my detractors with reason and on my own strength, as is my right. It's a matter of personal honor for me. If someone were to call me a lazy drunk I'd probably say I was fine and not to worry, and how's that drink in their own hand, by the way?
Being offended for others in the name of justice is another thing altogether, but only in scope. It's still a response of support for those who are seen to need it.
I think being offended on behalf of someone else is more complicated, but not necessarily by much. If you come to my aid when someone is insulting me, it's an act of loyalty or at least support, and while I appreciate the love, I've asked my friends not to do that, because it gets in the way of my being able to address my detractors with reason and on my own strength, as is my right. It's a matter of personal honor for me. If someone were to call me a lazy drunk I'd probably say I was fine and not to worry, and how's that drink in their own hand, by the way?
Being offended for others in the name of justice is another thing altogether, but only in scope. It's still a response of support for those who are seen to need it.
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Re: Why do people get offended ?
The other moving part is humility. If you're humble, the inner you matches the outer you. You know the truth, you reflect it, and you don't care who sees or thinks otherwise. In that case, you don't get offended. However, this is hard to do, and most people have at least some facade, concealing at least some secrets or insecurities. A facade is inherently unstable, so you have to protect it. Taking offense is the opening move in persona defense.Nanohedron wrote:As to the meat and bones of the question, "Why do people get offended?", context matters. In the case that Rory has offered, I say the root reason is personal insecurity.
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Re: Why do people get offended ?
... which, of course, is why I said it.rorybbellows wrote:Hey I'm Irish, now I am offended.benhall.1 wrote: The lazy, dunderheaded, Scottish piper. ]
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Re: Why do people get offended ?
"The truth doesn't hurt unless it should".
There is a whole question of when is a slur casually abusive to a section of people you were not even thinking about. Someone confronted me about this when I called a politician "****ing mental". It's ablist and offensive to people with mental health problems. She's right. I have no wish to treat people with mental health problems disrespectfully. However, I'm puzzled how to describe the actions of this politician. "Erratic, confused and illogical" doesn't really convey the depth of my disgust. I'll just have to fall back on calling them a member of their political party, which, to be frank, is the basest slur I can think of.
There is a whole question of when is a slur casually abusive to a section of people you were not even thinking about. Someone confronted me about this when I called a politician "****ing mental". It's ablist and offensive to people with mental health problems. She's right. I have no wish to treat people with mental health problems disrespectfully. However, I'm puzzled how to describe the actions of this politician. "Erratic, confused and illogical" doesn't really convey the depth of my disgust. I'll just have to fall back on calling them a member of their political party, which, to be frank, is the basest slur I can think of.
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Re: Why do people get offended ?
I rather like "ninny".Innocent Bystander wrote:Someone confronted me about this when I called a politician "****ing mental". It's ablist and offensive to people with mental health problems. She's right. I have no wish to treat people with mental health problems disrespectfully. However, I'm puzzled how to describe the actions of this politician.
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Re: Why do people get offended ?
As in "Ninnyhedron".Nanohedron wrote:I rather like "ninny".Innocent Bystander wrote:Someone confronted me about this when I called a politician "****ing mental". It's ablist and offensive to people with mental health problems. She's right. I have no wish to treat people with mental health problems disrespectfully. However, I'm puzzled how to describe the actions of this politician.