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Can anyone answer this "bonus" question?

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Why, when I buy an album, are there X number of tracks and 1 or 2 "bonus" tracks? Why aren't there just X+1 or X+2 tracks, period?
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It used to be that most CDs were digital re-issues of original vinyl LP albums, which held around 40-45 minutes of material. With the extra time afforded by CDs, there was room to add a few extra tracks not included on the LP release - the bonus tracks.

The whole music industry bonanza of having to re-purchase albums you already owned felt like a rip-off to many (like me). So I guess the idea of getting a bonus also helped to soften the blow.

After original CD releases became the norm, the marketing idea of bonus tracks stuck. And it still makes some sense when albums are planned as a cohesive collection, with a conceptual flow from track to track making an overall musical statement to be experienced from beginning to end. Bonus tracks may then be extras outside that flow - alternate takes, live takes, etc.

Nowadays, with many albums more download/streaming oriented, they seem more like a menu to pick and choose individual tracks, and bonus tracks seem more like a gimmick. But I suppose a physical CD might include bonus tracks not included in the download or streaming versions.

Personally, I've seen very few bonus tracks. It doesn't seem to be the norm at all for trad music albums. Back in the 80s/90s I re-purchased very few albums as CDs, because my vinyl collection is still intact and mostly in good shape (Take that, greedy music industry!). And when I bought "Best Of" CDs, which I tended to do, they were filled out without the need for bonus tracks.

As for contemporary pop/rock albums ... I haven't paid attention in around 15 years, and I have almost no desire to own any of it. :really:
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MTGuru wrote:It used to be that most CDs were digital re-issues of original vinyl LP albums, which held around 40-45 minutes of material. With the extra time afforded by CDs, there was room to add a few extra tracks not included on the LP release - the bonus tracks.

The whole music industry bonanza of having to re-purchase albums you already owned felt like a rip-off to many (like me). So I guess the idea of getting a bonus also helped to soften the blow.

After original CD releases became the norm, the marketing idea of bonus tracks stuck. And it still makes some sense when albums are planned as a cohesive collection, with a conceptual flow from track to track making an overall musical statement to be experienced from beginning to end. Bonus tracks may then be extras outside that flow - alternate takes, live takes, etc.

Nowadays, with many albums more download/streaming oriented, they seem more like a menu to pick and choose individual tracks, and bonus tracks seem more like a gimmick. But I suppose a physical CD might include bonus tracks not included in the download or streaming versions.

Personally, I've seen very few bonus tracks. It doesn't seem to be the norm at all for trad music albums. Back in the 80s/90s I re-purchased very few albums as CDs, because my vinyl collection is still intact and mostly in good shape (Take that, greedy music industry!). And when I bought "Best Of" CDs, which I tended to do, they were filled out without the need for bonus tracks.
The one that actually prompted me to wonder is certainly not a re-issue: it's the very recent TinWhistler album by the Monserrat brothers. It has 11 "tracks" and 2 "bonus" tracks.
As for contemporary pop/rock albums ... I haven't paid attention in around 15 years, and I have almost no desire to own any of it. :really:
Ditto on the pop/rock, although I still buy good classical stuff on occasion.
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Brus wrote:The one that actually prompted me to wonder is certainly not a re-issue: it's the very recent TinWhistler album by the Monserrat brothers. It has 11 "tracks" and 2 "bonus" tracks.
Well, in the case of what is effectively a self-produced "amateur" album like that, I imagine that they're just imitating the commercial model they're familiar with.
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No, it's quite clear from the TinWhistler sleeve note that they are indeed 'extras outside that flow', with Bonus Track #1: Polkas being a homemade (as opposed to studio) recording and Bonus Track #2: Flute & Foot being a 'quick flute improvisation before leaving the studio [...] with foot tapping.'
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I studied business in college. My focus was accounting but I had to take an assortment of business and economics classes.

One word: Marketing

Maybe the tracks should be New & Improved
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mutepointe wrote:I studied business in college. My focus was accounting but I had to take an assortment of business and economics classes.

Maybe the tracks should be New & Improved
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Hang on to that vinyl collection--not only did some audiophiles never let them go, they appear to be making a bit of a come-back.

I am seeing turntable in regular advertising again. In 2015--who'da thunk it?


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