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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:38 am 
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Do keep in mind that the book you are using is self-published by non-Irish player with no professional recordings or reputation, three different caveats right there.

I would go with Mary Bergin, the most renowned tin whistle player alive today, born and bred in Ireland.




Hi squid, an unexpected resurfacing.

A quick search will tell you Stephen Ducke is from Co Rosommon but I would agree he is an otherwise unknown quantity. But I'd caution against dismissing or lionising anyone because of where they were born. It's going out on thin ice. Ireland is not free of poor players. And some half decent players have come from elsewhere: surely you wouldn't, for example, dismiss the late Bill Ochs' work out of hand just because he was from New York? Or shun Bro Steve's insights?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:22 am 
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Thanks squidgirl ! It's a good point concerning author reputation...
Finally I decide to learn from Mary Bergin's book first. It can only give me a strong basis.
oups sorry about the tongue mistake lol Now corrected (but not the quoted one). :party:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:25 am 
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Thanks squidgirl ! It's a good point concerning author reputation...
Finally I decide to learn from Mary Bergin's book first. It can only give me a strong basis.
oups sorry about the tongue mistake lol Now corrected (but not the quoted one). :party:

Nicolas


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Nicolas... it is surprising to me that you might buy Mary's tutor without realising what you were getting into in terms of her use of tonguing. Have you not listened to her records, or YouTube clips? Or maybe this?

Then you could understand the sound and style that what she teaches in her tutor is aimed at. I'd recommend a few solid hours of careful listening to her (and other good players) every week to go alongside your study of the book.

As Mr. G has effectively said, you need to be careful interpreting the written word without an understanding based on listening. A pitfall that awaits every learner of Irish music, and not just whistle players, who seek guidance on the internet or in books: someone gives them a rule and they endeavour to apply it without necessarily understanding what the person who gave it was driving at, or hearing in their head what sound the rule was supposed to help them produce.

In this case, to me there is nothing at all in the quote from Stephen Ducke that runs counter to the way that Mary plays. He is trying to get you away from the way of playing that many beginners (especially if they have played recorder or flute) will adopt when they try to read Irish music off a page.


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Hey Steve, I just listen to the tune from your link and other youtube video of Mary (before buying the book)...
But she plays so fast with so many ornamentation that my little experience cannot define her tonguing style. Sorry !
(ok it’s written here and there but I just didn’t realize it was 4 notes out of 6).

I don't plan to stay on one track but as a beginner, I think it is best to follow one path (and to look on other style only by curiosity).
Now I have more tools and confidence to know where I am going.

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A quick search will tell you Stephen Ducke is from Co Rosommon but I would agree he is an otherwise unknown quantity. But I'd caution against dismissing or lionising anyone because of where they were born. It's going out on thin ice. Ireland is not free of poor players. And some half decent players have come from elsewhere: surely you wouldn't, for example, dismiss the late Bill Ochs' work out of hand just because he was from New York? Or shun Bro Steve's insights?[/quote]

My bad, I seem to have entirely lost my google-fu. I tried looking him up and didn't find much, but clearly I must have been doing it wrong. I was perhaps overly concerned, as I myself had some terrible luck finding good learning materials when I was starting out, until I found Bro Steve via this site.

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