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 Post subject: O'Riordan Repair ?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:43 am 
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O'Riordan fipple repair or replacement fabrication needed. Any whistlemaker suggestions? Any sources for replacement fipple? The whistle is an old O'Riordan high D in either metal or plastic/delrin/ABS/polymer (whatever you call it). The body tube is fine. The "plastic" fipple over the past few months had been developing a crack and finally chipped off near the corner of "chamfer" (lost chip).

This is not my whistle, but, a session player/friend (who doesn't follow C&F... yet...) that has been especially kind/helpful with getting me practicing whistle and attending ITM events. The whistle is not in my possession, but, I'll try and get photo(s). His backup whistle is a Sindt brass D so it didn't prevent playing. We're all just brokenhearted seeing a broken O'Riordan.

I'm just a newbie asking for help. Any and all suggestions appreciated.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:47 am 
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ytliek wrote:
Any sources for replacement fipple?
You've got to be kidding. Right?

Get it back to Pat. That's the only course of action that should be considered.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:19 am 
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Thanks, PM sent


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:21 pm 
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Hey B,
If the PM falls short, I have some Gorilla Glue I can spare! :D

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:29 pm 
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Cayden wrote:
Hey B, If the PM falls short, I have some Gorilla Glue I can spare! :D Cayden

I don't want to wrestle'em off yer back to use it :D And, somehow I don't think the fipple damage is just a glueing matter. :really:


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 Post subject: Re: O'Riordan Repair ?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:36 pm 
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B,
C'mon lad, tell me you did not take me seriously about sloshing some Gorilla Glue on your bud's fine vintage O'Riordan?

Jesting I was lad. Now those big my monkees on me back are nothing to be fooling about. :D

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 Post subject: Re: O'Riordan Repair ?
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Cayden wrote:
Hey B,
If the PM falls short, I have some Gorilla Glue I can spare! :D

Cayden


I know you're joking as evidenced by the :D
However, you bring up a valid issue: Delrin is resistant to just about every glue known to man (or woman). Years ago I contacted Dupont, which makes Delrin and asked the phone rep how I could glue this polymer. Her reply was "Good luck!".

Hope your PM to O'Riordan brings success.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:59 am 
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brewerpaul wrote:
Cayden wrote:
Hey B,
If the PM falls short, I have some Gorilla Glue I can spare! :D

Cayden


I know you're joking as evidenced by the :D
However, you bring up a valid issue: Delrin is resistant to just about every glue known to man (or woman). Years ago I contacted Dupont, which makes Delrin and asked the phone rep how I could glue this polymer. Her reply was "Good luck!".

Hope your PM to O'Riordan brings success.


Some info I came across in 2001 (so assume old product and phone #s), don't know if it's applicable today to use of Delrin:

Because of the "greasy" nature of Delrin, the surface treatment is typically the most important consideration for a glued joint. Common surface treatments include roughening and/or applying a primer (a solvent, or an acid). The primer etches the material surface giving the glue something to hold on to. Typical strength values for a bonded joint are 7000 psi with etching/primer, and 500 psi without etching/primer. Applicable adhesives are:

* Cyanoacrylate & Primer - 770, from Loctite (800-562-8483)
* Cyanoacrylate - Permabond 268, from Permabond (800-653-6523)
* Epoxy - Lord C3135 A&B, from Lord Corp (814-868-3611)
* Epoxy - FE7004 A&B, from H.B.Fuller (800-328-9673)
* Epoxy - Fiber Resin C14, from Fiber Resin Corp (800-346-9876)
* Epoxy - EA934NA & EA9394, from Dexter Corp (510-458-8000)
* Rubber - EC1711, from 3M (800-364-3577)

Another product mentioned in 2009 was:
http://www.cypox.com/home.html
"C-pox™ Plastic Primer is used for difficult to bond substrates such as...
UHMW (Ultra High Molecular Weight) polyethylene, Teflon®, Delrin®, ABS, polypropylene, high-impact, high-density plastics. Generally, if you are having difficulty bonding any plastic, it probably falls into this category. C-pox™ Plastic Primer is the only viable solution besides a plastic heat welder (melting) for bonding these materials."


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:22 pm 
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Honestly, I think the damage is requiring replacement fipple or fabrication. I'll let everyone know how it turns out. Thank you :)


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How big is the missing piece? Does it render the whistle unplayable? Picture?

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brewerpaul wrote:
How big is the missing piece? Does it render the whistle unplayable? Picture?

Hi Paul, I'm still working on obtaining pics from my friend. The chipped off piece from the corner of opening is approx half inch and the crack continues back toward the beak quarter inch, maybe as much as half inch. He did play it broken delicately for a moment, but he was so worried about damaging fipple any further he stopped. He was in the middle of session play with a visiting player. It was a big session that everyone came out to support, about 30 musicians in all. (me, I'm the dedicated listener as there has to be an audience) :)


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