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Sometimes they just don't get it

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This week I had purchased the low D susato dublin and the low whistle book/CD that was for sale here. I had been wanting to purchase the book prior to this and the combo at the price offered was too good to resist. I have been trying to work through the low D on my own but my alba is just not that forgiving so I figured the susato would be more forgiving to my attempts.
Well I opened the package in front of my husband. He picked up the whistle and said "How much is this thing worth?" He who doesn't blink when I spend hundreds on a recorder doesn't understand that even a PVC whistle needs a good head on it.
BTW..the whistle IS much more forgiving than my alba, and quieter than i had been led to expect from reading the reviews.
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cutterpup wrote:the whistle IS much more forgiving than my alba, and quieter than i had been led to expect from reading the reviews.
I find the volume of the Susato low D to be good but certainly not loud. There are definitely quieter low D's out there

The reputation Susato has for being a loud whistles stems mostly from the second octave of the S-Series high whistles, most particulary the high D. The M-series and L-Series whistle are generally pretty middle of the pack in the volume department, IMO, and generally well behaved too.

How are you getting on with the BH2 (bottom hand, middle finger) hole?

Congratulations on your new whistle.

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I thought you were going to tell us an example of something that you husband buys that is crazy priced and doesn't bother him in the least.
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mutepointe wrote:I thought you were going to tell us an example of something that you husband buys that is crazy priced and doesn't bother him in the least.
Yeah, if I want something that "is crazy priced" in the wife's opinion then I " just don't get it", simple as that. There are rules.

I suspect Cutterpup had something else in mind.

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mutepointe wrote:I thought you were going to tell us an example of something that you husband buys that is crazy priced and doesn't bother him in the least.
You mean like $400 plus on a non-working vintage bandsaw because he doesn't have one in that brand? But once it's restored he can sell one or two of his other bandsaws to make his money back. If he had a sig line for his vintage woodworking machines it would make mine look like a single word.

And to answer the other question, I am getting along with the lower tone holes just fine. They are a little larger than I'm used to but it's workable for me. I have smallish hands but spent close to 30 years playing a strraight (not knick neck) tenor recorder sans thumbrest and keys. So the size of the Low D isn't an issue.
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Yep, that's the kind of burn I was looking for. Brava!
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Feadoggie wrote:
mutepointe wrote:I thought you were going to tell us an example of something that you husband buys that is crazy priced and doesn't bother him in the least.
Yeah, if I want something that "is crazy priced" in the wife's opinion then I " just don't get it", simple as that. There are rules.

I suspect Cutterpup had something else in mind.

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We have rules as well. I've never told him not to spend the money, yes we do ask each other before purchasing. He has never told me no either, it's just that once the item is here he occasionally questions the value. Like I had said, a beautiful wooden Mollenhauer alto recorder raises no questions. Yet a whistle that costs soooooo much less is questioned because of the material it is made of. Maybe I should take the hint and buy only expensive hand made wooden whistles. he actually was upset with me when he came and sat in at the pub my group was playing in and saw I was using a plastic recorder instead of one of my "good" wooden ones. I don't think that he bought my explaination that my plastic Mollenhaur "dream" soprano is the only recorder I own that can be heard above three hammer dulcimers, two guitars and a fiddle.
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Bandsaws are important. Can't live without one. So it sounds like your husband is a wood guy. He probably understands what it takes to make a wooden instrument. He can see the art and the skill needed to make one. While plastics are really no different, it is easy to assume that plastic instruments just get spit out of mold or extrusion machines. How good can a plastic recorder be if making one produces no sawdust or swarf?

Here's what you need to do. Does he have a lathe (or two or three)? Have him make you a whistle (or two or three). It's not too difficult a project for someone who is good with the tools.

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Feadoggie wrote: Here's what you need to do. Does he have a lathe (or two or three)? Have him make you a whistle (or two or three). It's not too difficult a project for someone who is good with the tools.

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Feadoggie wrote:Here's what you need to do. Does he have a lathe (or two or three)? Have him make you a whistle (or two or three). It's not too difficult a project for someone who is good with the tools.

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And what about the head?? Or do i have him make just the tone body to fit a head I already have? No that won't work. I'll get grief about having a plastic head on a wooden instrument. But yeah, I think the last count was something like four lathes, all for wood.
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cutterpup wrote:And what about the head?? Or do i have him make just the tone body to fit a head I already have? No that won't work.
You can take things in steps if he likes the thought of that. The head is the harder part but it's not too difficult if you have some instruments around to emulate. There are a couple piece of tooling he may not have at first but he'll sort that out.

Have him watch this.

And ten look at this site.

More references are available if needed.

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Plastic is water/moisture proof. I have never seen anyone pour Guinness through a wood instrument. Some where in some old posts a flute player from the UK talks about pouring Guinness through his flute to seal the porosity of the flute so it will play better. Perhaps that was just to get extra money to spend at the pub session. :)
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Tommy wrote:Plastic is water/moisture proof. I have never seen anyone pour Guinness through a wood instrument. Some where in some old posts a flute player from the UK talks about pouring Guinness through his flute to seal the porosity of the flute so it will play better. Perhaps that was just to get extra money to spend at the pub session. :)
Thank you, yet another point in the non-wood favor. He knows that when I am practicing for a performance with my recorder group I play my wooden instruments enough to keep them broken in but do the heavy rehearsing on their plastic counterparts to keep the wooden blocks from getting overly wet and being damaged. I did this once on my favorite tenor, cracked the block during the final song of the last rehearsal before a Madrigal Feast where we were supplying the music.
I've pointed out posts on recorder forums where players for country dances actually have to bring two wooden instruments with them because one just can't take the abuse of heavy playing for the whole dance.
Think I'll use this argument to point out the economy of most whistles..you only need one if it's not made of wood.That is one of each key/type/sound that you want. :D
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He will hear you say, "I think I am saving money. I'm really causes us to go broke."
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I have to say, I feel the same way when I buy things. If something is made out of wood or metal, I equate it to higher value. If the wood feels solid and not that glued sawdust mesh crap you see in Walmart, it gets an evaluated even higher value. If I pick up something metal and it feels nice and sturdy, higher value. Even my cups are those heavy strong glasses.

I really don't like plastic, plastic things just feel cheap and out of place. Nice sturdy heavy things are awesome. If you drop something it should go KERPLEW, not plip.

But... with that said I do have a few plastic instruments, after a while I "upgrade" to more heavy ones made out of wood, corian, or metal though.
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