PETITION: the "Mistake" as the newest form of ornament?

Brian Lee · Post by **Brian Lee** » Wed Aug 22, 2001 1:05 pm

In reading recent posts about one's skill level, etc. I would like to start a petition to include the "Mistake" as an official ornament to Irish Traditional Music.

Sure Rolls, Cuts, Crans and Slides all hae their place, but I think that the "Mistake" or "Flub" is by far the easiest ornament to learn.

Even the 'rank beginners' can pick it up pretty quick. Heck, I was doing them like there was no tomorrow my very first day of whistling! I still have a certain knack for them even to this day!

Call it lick? I think not!

Just a thought...perhaps this can go down in the annals of C&F history as a turning point for whistlers everywhere!

Just trying to do my part to make the whistle world a happier place!

Bri~

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Tyghress · Post by **Tyghress** » Wed Aug 22, 2001 1:16 pm

I second the motion, but please, call it a flub not the 'M' word!

avanutria · Post by **avanutria** » Wed Aug 22, 2001 1:21 pm

Isn't a flub just a kind of improvisation?

Mack.Hoover · Post by **Mack.Hoover** » Wed Aug 22, 2001 1:24 pm

Hi Brian,
I'm very much in favor of including mistakes into our otherwise purfect werld.
Mack

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Blarney Pilgrim · Post by **Blarney Pilgrim** » Wed Aug 22, 2001 1:25 pm

I vote in favor. There have been times when it has happend to me and someone would say, "Oh, that sounded good." But let's call it "improvisation."

-Steve

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Brian Lee · Post by **Brian Lee** » Wed Aug 22, 2001 1:32 pm

Checked and fixed Mack! *wink* and an improvisation denotes a deviation from the tune that's ongoing. I make mistakes, but if you listen closely, you can almost make out the base tune.

I think the "Flub" is still a good choice! LOL!!

I know I was asked not to use the "M" word to describe it, but is the "F" word much better?!

In this case, I think so!

B~

Blaine McArthur · Post by **Blaine McArthur** » Wed Aug 22, 2001 1:53 pm

It seems to me that a good musician is one who know how to recover from mistakes so smoothly that most people won't even know you have made one. I think I am kind of getting to this point on my mandolin -

On the whistle, it is more a matter my occasional listener saying "hey, I think I rcognized that part..." can you play it again?

AnnaDMartinez · Post by **AnnaDMartinez** » Wed Aug 22, 2001 2:36 pm

I've been told by one of the best to just fake my way through a flub and pretend it was deliberate, never let 'em know you made a boo-boo, no matter how glaring, just keep on playing and act like nothing happened, so maybe there's no such thing as a profound is truly gonna make a big difference in the BIG scheme of things, after all. I mean after all, one time I passed gas during a solemn moment during a pow-wow and...

gitchel · Post by **gitchel** » Wed Aug 22, 2001 4:21 pm

Let's just call it a "hyper-improvisational embellishment." An HIE.

I am, perhaps, one of the most hyper-improvisational musicians currently playing - at least on the elite "in the bathroom with the door closed" circuit.

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WyoBadger · Post by **WyoBadger** » Wed Aug 22, 2001 10:53 pm

Brian--

I'm with ya, buddy!

T

adrianh · Post by **adrianh** » Thu Aug 23, 2001 12:25 am

Brian,

As a wise man once said "Pure wisdom is born out of things going wrong".

You have absolutely made my day and I whole heartedly agree with you.

As far as I am concerned they can be flubbing mistakes.

Brilliant though, thankyou so much !!!!

A

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Feadan · Post by **Feadan** » Thu Aug 23, 2001 8:31 am

On 2001-08-22 15:53, Blaine McArthur wrote:
It seems to me that a good musician is one who know how to recover from mistakes so smoothly that most people won't even know you have made one

This brings to mind one of my all time favorite musicians, Phil Cunningham. He has well mastered the art of screwing up a tune on purpose to make folks laugh, but it also serves as an excellent cover for when it isn't intentional

When it isn't intentional his recovery is always quick and relatively smooth. Take, for example, the whistle intro of "Scarce of Tatties/Lyndhurst" on the "Live Wizardry" recording by Silly Wizard. There is a bit of a musical stumble that most folk don't even realize is there (and it ain't on purpose).

ndjr · Post by **ndjr** » Thu Aug 23, 2001 9:31 am

Be careful folks; we run the risk of jumping traditions here. Remember the old rule: "Once is a mistake; twice is Jazz?"

cj · Post by cj » Thu Aug 23, 2001 9:34 am

Well, since the mistake/flub is going to be considered an ornament, I guess my playing now qualifies as heavily ornamented!

DaveO · Post by **DaveO** » Thu Aug 23, 2001 10:19 am

On 2001-08-23 11:31, ndjr wrote:
Be careful folks; we run the risk of jumping traditions here. Remember the old rule: "Once is a mistake; twice is Jazz?"

So when I play the whistle I'm playing Traditional Irish Jazz.

Dave