GIF of a whistle air stream as it is producing its sound

The Ultimate On-Line Whistle Community. If you find one more ultimater, let us know.
Post Reply
User avatar
TxWhistler
Posts: 226
Joined: Tue May 26, 2020 9:15 am
antispam: No
Please enter the next number in sequence: 8
Tell us something.: I have recently retired and have always wanted to learn to play a musical instrument. I'm leaning to play the whistle and now the flute.
Location: Tyler, Texas

GIF of a whistle air stream as it is producing its sound

Post by TxWhistler »

I stumbled upon this while surfing the web the other night and thought it was worth sharing. It may already have been posted here but I don't have the foggiest idea what term to use to search and see if is has so if it's already been posted please forgive me!

This was on Becker's whistle home page at the bottom.

Click on this link to see the GIF in motion:
http://www.beckerwhistles.com/uploads/1 ... e_orig.gif


Still image:
Image
User avatar
RoberTunes
Posts: 326
Joined: Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:33 pm
antispam: No
Please enter the next number in sequence: 8
Tell us something.: I am a flute, guitar, keyboard + whistle player learning about quality whistles, musical possibilities and playing techniques. I've recorded a CD of my own music and am creating music for kids.
Location: North America

Re: GIF of a whistle air stream as it is producing its sound

Post by RoberTunes »

Seeing the air stream flow go up and down makes me wonder if the frequency of that vertical fluctuation is a match for the frequency of the note being played. Perhaps the note heard is controlled by other factors along the length of the tube. Fascinating!
User avatar
TxWhistler
Posts: 226
Joined: Tue May 26, 2020 9:15 am
antispam: No
Please enter the next number in sequence: 8
Tell us something.: I have recently retired and have always wanted to learn to play a musical instrument. I'm leaning to play the whistle and now the flute.
Location: Tyler, Texas

Re: GIF of a whistle air stream as it is producing its sound

Post by TxWhistler »

RoberTunes wrote:Seeing the air stream flow go up and down makes me wonder if the frequency of that vertical fluctuation is a match for the frequency of the note being played. Perhaps the note heard is controlled by other factors along the length of the tube. Fascinating!
I'm no expert but I think you are right that the higher the note the more up and down cycles per second. I'm guessing the distance from the air window to the each hole is the main factor along with the diameter of the bore is causing the air stream to fluctuate faster or slower. (And the size of the hole too.)
User avatar
pancelticpiper
Posts: 5307
Joined: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:25 am
antispam: No
Please enter the next number in sequence: 8
Tell us something.: Playing Scottish and Irish music in California for 45 years.
These days many discussions are migrating to Facebook but I prefer the online chat forum format.
Location: WV to the OC

Re: GIF of a whistle air stream as it is producing its sound

Post by pancelticpiper »

That's really cool!

I knew in theory that's how it worked, but it's cool to see.

Not sure but I think I saw a video of a fluteplayer's airstream doing that, I think they had the fluteplayer take a drag on a cigarette or something.
Richard Cook
c1980 Quinn uilleann pipes
1945 Starck Highland pipes
Goldie Low D whistle
User avatar
paddler
Posts: 752
Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:19 pm
antispam: No
Please enter the next number in sequence: 8
Location: Hood River, Oregon, USA
Contact:

Re: GIF of a whistle air stream as it is producing its sound

Post by paddler »

The link below has a nice explanation of how the sound production mechanism, bore and tone holes
interact to determine the frequency of oscillation and hence the note produced by a whistle (or
recorder). It also provides some more information about where the gif in the original post came
from.

http://www.flute-a-bec.com/acoustiquegb.html
User avatar
Nanohedron
Moderatorer
Posts: 38224
Joined: Wed Dec 18, 2002 6:00 pm
antispam: No
Please enter the next number in sequence: 8
Tell us something.: Been a fluter, citternist, and uilleann piper; committed now to the way of the harp.

Oh, yeah: also a mod here, not a spammer. A matter of opinion, perhaps.
Location: Lefse country

Re: GIF of a whistle air stream as it is producing its sound

Post by Nanohedron »

I noticed that the lion's share of the air flow oscillated above the labium. Any of you makers have any insights for us about that?
"If you take music out of this world, you will have nothing but a ball of fire." - Balochi musician
User avatar
paddler
Posts: 752
Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:19 pm
antispam: No
Please enter the next number in sequence: 8
Location: Hood River, Oregon, USA
Contact:

Re: GIF of a whistle air stream as it is producing its sound

Post by paddler »

Nanohedron wrote:I noticed that the lion's share of the air flow oscillated above the labium. Any of you makers have any insights for us about that?
Whistles/flutes only sound a note once the air inside the bore is resonating. The length and shape of the bore, combined with various other properties such
as air temperature, humidity, etc, determine the frequency at which it resonates, which determines the note produced. It takes some input of energy to get the
resonance going, and there are energy losses due to friction, etc, so it takes some continuing input of energy to sustain the resonance as well. But if a large volume
of air was blown into, and through, the bore, it would disrupt the resonating air column, which would result in the note cutting out.

When a player blows across the window (or embouchure in the case of a flute), with the edge of the air stream just hitting a splitting edge, it serves as a source of
energy that can be tapped into periodically in order to offset the losses due to friction. The pulses of energy that momentarily/periodically enter the bore, do so in
sync with the oscillation of the air inside the bore and boost its energy just enough to sustain the state of resonance. In fact, you could think of the pressure oscillations
inside the bore as contributing to pulling that air jet down into the bore periodically, almost as if the resonating air column was tapping into the energy source.

So, basically, the challenge is to hit the balance point just right so that enough energy goes into that oscillating air column to sustain the resonance, but
not so much as to disrupt it. This is why small adjustments in the wind way, that affect how the air hits the labium, can cause a whistle to not sound at all.
The air flow is either too low, in which case too much air goes inside the bore and disrupts the resonance, or it is too high, in which case there is not enough
energy pulsing into the bore to sustain the resonance. What we need is for it to be in the Goldilocks zone ... just right! It is the same issue when you try to blow
a flute and direct your air flow in the wrong place. The flute just doesn't sound.
User avatar
Nanohedron
Moderatorer
Posts: 38224
Joined: Wed Dec 18, 2002 6:00 pm
antispam: No
Please enter the next number in sequence: 8
Tell us something.: Been a fluter, citternist, and uilleann piper; committed now to the way of the harp.

Oh, yeah: also a mod here, not a spammer. A matter of opinion, perhaps.
Location: Lefse country

Re: GIF of a whistle air stream as it is producing its sound

Post by Nanohedron »

paddler wrote:What we need is for it to be in the Goldilocks zone ... just right!
Thanks. As a total ignoramus, I would have thought that so much unused air was simply wasted, but now I see that there's far more to it than that. Might a possible, if distant, analogy be that of using the bow in the best way on a fiddle string?
"If you take music out of this world, you will have nothing but a ball of fire." - Balochi musician
david_h
Posts: 1735
Joined: Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:04 am
Please enter the next number in sequence: 1
Location: Mercia

Re: GIF of a whistle air stream as it is producing its sound

Post by david_h »

Described in the context of flute - which has more variables - here: https://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/flutea ... tml#airjet

There have been some quite long discussions about it on the flute forum, only the gist of which - and where to look it up - stick in my mind.

@Nano - I think the answer may be here: https://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/violindex.html
busterbill
Posts: 731
Joined: Sat Mar 15, 2003 8:06 pm
antispam: No
Please enter the next number in sequence: 8

Re: GIF of a whistle air stream as it is producing its sound

Post by busterbill »

HaHa. In the age of Covid this illustrates why we whistle players are more likely to shoot the virus out at our friends than our fiddle playing neighbors. Keep safe folks. :)
Post Reply