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 Post subject: Goldie soft/medium?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:41 am 
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Hi all!

This has come up thousands of times I think.. But I cant find a proper information on this.

I might get Goldie's low d in the near future. But what are the differences with these different blowing charasteristics? I have been playing Chieftain V5 for some time now, that is my only reference.

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 Post subject: Re: Goldie soft/medium?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:14 am 
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EDIT: I just spent a half-hour going back and forth between a "medium" headjoint and a "soft" headjoint on my Goldie Low D.

Of course there's no substitute for playing them yourself, and get a feel for what you prefer.

Personally I like both, though they do play differently.

The "soft" has much easier/lighter/more responsive high notes. This is most noticeable on High B, which tends to be the stiffest note on Low Whistles. So without doing any tonguing, you can easily shift octaves like A-a, B-b on the "soft" Goldie.

On the "medium" High A and especially High B require a stronger blow, what I call a "stiffer" 2nd octave.

So on the "soft" Goldie playing things that jump back and forth between High B and low notes is much easier. However the lighter 2nd octave means you have to be more careful when playing in the low octave because it doesn't take much to flip the notes to the 2nd octave.

Overall to me it feels like the "medium" Goldie is more solid, while the "soft" Goldie feels more spongy.

The low notes on the two whistles are very similar in strength. You can blow Bottom D the same, and when I tried A-cuts on Bottom D they behaved about the same on both whistles.

The tone is different, the "medium" head giving a more foggy musty tone and the "soft" head giving a more pure clean tone.

The air-efficiency is better on the "medium" but it's not a great difference.

BTW older Goldies were stamped "M" for "medium" etc but newer ones have the actual windway height in mm engraved inside the bell.

This is my understanding, for his Low D whistles:

.8 mm "hard blower"
.87 mm "medium blower"
.97 mm standard "soft blower"
1 mm very soft/easy blower

BTW I've not played a V5 so I have no idea how it plays compared to the various Goldie models.

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 Post subject: Re: Goldie soft/medium?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:02 am 
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Ok thanks for the good info!

it is so hard to choose... I cant test them anywhere. Intuition says that soft is the way, but who knows..


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:30 pm 
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The apostol wrote:
I might get Goldie's low d in the near future. But what are the differences with these different blowing charasteristics?

Pancelticpiper describes the differences quite well, and has years of experience and expertise with whistles.
The only Chieftain I've had (or played) was an OS model (long ago), and it was definitely a free-blowing whistle, but I know the design and playing characteristics have changed a lot over the years. Perhaps AngelicBeaver will chime in, since he's played both Goldies and Chieftains and does a lot of comparisons.

pancelticpiper wrote:
This is my understanding, for his Low D whistles:
.8 mm "hard blower"
.87 mm "medium blower"
.97 mm standard "soft blower"
1 mm very soft/easy blower

Colin also makes windway heights with increments between these standard ones. The tenor D I got a couple months ago has a .95 windway. He also is making 2 different hole sizes now, smaller for better articulation in playing fast and a slightly larger size (I opted for the larger size).

As most players of Goldie whistles will say (myself included), talking directly to Colin is the way to go. He's very approachable and will help you decide on design and playing characteristics.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:57 pm 
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Yes when I recently bought a mezzo F directly from Colin we had a nice chat on the phone, he played several F's for me to listen to, we decided on one, and it's superb.

Very interesting the incremental windway heights! After going back and forth between the medium and soft, it would be very interesting to try one halfway between.

Thing is, I got the medium Goldie a couple years ago and I've been playing it regularly and I love it. If I never touched another Low D in my life I would be happy.

However now that I've been playing the soft one more, I think if it had been that one that I had got a couple years ago I would have been just as delighted with it as I have been with the medium one.

The light easy response of the soft one is something special, no doubt. BTW the closest Low D I've played to the soft Goldie is the Lofgren I used to have.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:44 pm 
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Thanks guys! I appreciate this. Lets indeed hope Angelic beaver will stop by..


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:13 pm 
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I have a Goldie Low D with a fipple rated at .9
Medium air required and I have no problem with breath control.
Good instrument.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:17 pm 
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Colin is awesome to talk with on the phone ... a real help in picking out the whistle.
He will play them for you to hear and tell you their characteristics.


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