Just got my first whistles today
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Re: Just got my first whistles today
Yes, as you say, transposing instruments.
The strange thing (perhaps) to someone coming from the 'legit' musical world, orchestral and pop and jazz, is that it's not the C whistle that's the Concert Pitch whistle, but the D whistle.
So, a Sax is named by the pitch you get when you finger thus oxo ooo
and a clarinet is named by the pitch you get when you finger thus xxx ooo
and a Boehm flute is named by the pitch you get when you finger thus xxx xxxx
but Irish flutes and whistles are named by the pitch you get when you finger thus xxx xxx
It's really arbitrary as you can see.
It's something to keep in mind, that an Irish D whistle or flute is a Concert Pitch instrument and in fact has the same notes and fingerings (mostly) as a Boehm flute in C, a Melody Sax in C, and a clarinet in G (they make them, they're big https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImMHOFb-dxY
xxx xxx is D
xxx xxo is E
xxx ooo is G
xxo ooo is A
xoo ooo is B
Same fingerings, same notes, just different naming systems.
The strange thing (perhaps) to someone coming from the 'legit' musical world, orchestral and pop and jazz, is that it's not the C whistle that's the Concert Pitch whistle, but the D whistle.
So, a Sax is named by the pitch you get when you finger thus oxo ooo
and a clarinet is named by the pitch you get when you finger thus xxx ooo
and a Boehm flute is named by the pitch you get when you finger thus xxx xxxx
but Irish flutes and whistles are named by the pitch you get when you finger thus xxx xxx
It's really arbitrary as you can see.
It's something to keep in mind, that an Irish D whistle or flute is a Concert Pitch instrument and in fact has the same notes and fingerings (mostly) as a Boehm flute in C, a Melody Sax in C, and a clarinet in G (they make them, they're big https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImMHOFb-dxY
xxx xxx is D
xxx xxo is E
xxx ooo is G
xxo ooo is A
xoo ooo is B
Same fingerings, same notes, just different naming systems.
Richard Cook
c1980 Quinn uilleann pipes
1945 Starck Highland pipes
Goldie Low D whistle
c1980 Quinn uilleann pipes
1945 Starck Highland pipes
Goldie Low D whistle
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Re: Just got my first whistles today
pancelticpiper wrote:It's something to keep in mind, that an Irish D whistle or flute is a Concert Pitch instrument
Not quite true, I don't believe. They still transpose, but on the octave - much like the guitar, but the other way. I think the Low D is concert pitch, and plays exactly as written. I think I got that right...
BTW I have a bass clarinet. Now THAT'S big! If I sit on the sofa, with the clarinet sat on the floor, the mouthpiece is at eye level I have to sit on the stool (bench) at the keyboard to be high enough to get it in my pie hole.
Now that you mention it, the fingering on the whistle, is the same as the second register on the bass clarinet. That's useful for me to know.
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... Oh, and I still need to learn "C fingering" so I can use the Bb whistle to play from the Bb clarinet songbook I have (I thought I was ordering a songbook for the bass, but messed up). Shouldn't be too tricky to learn both (I hope)
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Re: Just got my first whistles today
I play my whistles & flutes as if they were 'C' instruments, why?, because I have other instruments & it's easier for me to think in 'C'.
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concert pitch
an internationally agreed standard for the tuning of musical instruments, in which the note A above middle C has a frequency of 440 Hz.
Keith.
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Re: Just got my first whistles today
So how do you make that work, Keith? Different genres of music, or use half-holing?fatmac wrote:I play my whistles & flutes as if they were 'C' instruments, why?, because I have other instruments & it's easier for me to think in 'C'.
Edit:concert pitch
an internationally agreed standard for the tuning of musical instruments, in which the note A above middle C has a frequency of 440 Hz.
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Re: Just got my first whistles today
Most of what I play is in the key of C, some in G, some in D, not many others keys, except maybe a Bb.
I cross finger mostly, but I'm not averse to half holing, if needs be.
Mainly old rock/pop tunes with some nice ballads, very little Trad Irish for me.
(I know these forums are mainly Trad Irish, but you don't have to play it.)
I cross finger mostly, but I'm not averse to half holing, if needs be.
Mainly old rock/pop tunes with some nice ballads, very little Trad Irish for me.
(I know these forums are mainly Trad Irish, but you don't have to play it.)
Keith.
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Re: Just got my first whistles today
Because G tunes don't necessarily sit between one G and the next like a simple scale (e.g. G A B C D E F# G), but more typically extend below and above (e.g. D E F# G A B C D E F# G A B), by which time you're looking at perfect D whistle range.TheWanderer wrote:If I played a G tune on a G whistle with G fingering, why would I run out of range?
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Ahhh! That makes sense. Thank you, Peter.Peter Duggan wrote:Because G tunes don't necessarily sit between one G and the next like a simple scale (e.g. G A B C D E F# G), but more typically extend below and above (e.g. D E F# G A B C D E F# G A B), by which time you're looking at perfect D whistle range.TheWanderer wrote:If I played a G tune on a G whistle with G fingering, why would I run out of range?
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Re: Just got my first whistles today
I had to nip into town today anyway, so I picked up some blu-tack while I was there. I reckon that's less likely to leave a grotty residue. Gotta be worth 99p to not have irate neighbours banging on the doorTheWanderer wrote:That makes life easy. Thanks Keithfatmac wrote:You can also tape over half of the blade hole to reduce the volume.
Thanks again to everyone for their welcomes, insights, and advice. I look forward to learning more from you all
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Re: Just got my first whistles today
Quick nomenclature question:
Bell note - is that the lowest note on any given whistle?
I did a search, but couldn't find the answer.
Bell note - is that the lowest note on any given whistle?
I did a search, but couldn't find the answer.
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Re: Just got my first whistles today
Yes, all holes closed.
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Brilliant! Thank you.fatmac wrote:Yes, all holes closed.
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Re: Just got my first whistles today
TheWanderer wrote:pancelticpiper wrote:It's something to keep in mind, that an Irish D whistle or flute is a Concert Pitch instrument
Not quite true, I don't believe. They still transpose, but on the octave
Good point, while the D Irish flute, D uilleann chanter, and Low D whistle are all Concert Pitch the High D whistle plays one octave higher.
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Goldie Low D whistle
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Re: Just got my first whistles today
pancelticpiper wrote:TheWanderer wrote:pancelticpiper wrote:It's something to keep in mind, that an Irish D whistle or flute is a Concert Pitch instrument
Not quite true, I don't believe. They still transpose, but on the octave
Good point, while the D Irish flute, D uilleann chanter, and Low D whistle are all Concert Pitch the High D whistle plays one octave higher.
Thanks Richard. I didn't know about the flute and chanter.
I must say, I am having fun with these two whistles. I don't expect to be amassing a great collection of them (I already have several other instruments), but there's a definite risk a low F and low D might join the array next year.
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Re: Just got my first whistles today
I had a quick chat via email with Yasmin at Dixon's, about the difference in responsiveness of the two whistles. She suggested I try swapping the heads around, and see if the characteristics swap over too.
I took her advice, and the A whistle was just as lively as before. No significant change on the other either. After a little more playing around with the Bb, trying to figure out why I wasn't getting the same responsiveness, I discovered it's just a little more fussy over which angle the whistle is held at (or I'm naturally holding them slightly differently).
Once that's corrected, it becomes a lot more nimble. So it was purely operator error after all, although they do both seem slightly better behaved with the heads on this way for some reason. That might just be my improved awareness though. Either way, problem solved! More than that, with a little angle and embouchure management, I can actually play "all fingers down" as loud, or even slightly louder, in the lower register than the upper, which will make for better dynamics. It's gonna take a little more work on my part to be consistent though.
I took her advice, and the A whistle was just as lively as before. No significant change on the other either. After a little more playing around with the Bb, trying to figure out why I wasn't getting the same responsiveness, I discovered it's just a little more fussy over which angle the whistle is held at (or I'm naturally holding them slightly differently).
Once that's corrected, it becomes a lot more nimble. So it was purely operator error after all, although they do both seem slightly better behaved with the heads on this way for some reason. That might just be my improved awareness though. Either way, problem solved! More than that, with a little angle and embouchure management, I can actually play "all fingers down" as loud, or even slightly louder, in the lower register than the upper, which will make for better dynamics. It's gonna take a little more work on my part to be consistent though.