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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:33 am 
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In the OAIM Whistle Basics course, Kirsten Allstaff refers to the last lesson as the 18th, although it's the 17th. She mentions "18 lessons" at other times.

In the next-to-last lesson, she says in the introduction that the Connacht Heifers goes well in a set with the Doon Reel and that she'll play them as a set in the Whole Tune Practice part of the lesson (implying that the Doon Reel has already been learned). But the Whole Tune Practice appears to cut off very suddenly (before starting the Doon Reel?).

So, was there a lesson on the Doon Reel which has been deleted? Why? From what I can find, it's a trad tune, so it's not a copyright problem.

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Grey Larson has a nice clear whistle version of it in his 300 Gems of Irish Music CD set. The multiple CD set is reasonably priced and I would highly recommend it for anyone into Irish Traditional whistle. Check out his website. I bet when they decided to cut that lesson they didn't notice it had been mentioned.


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One problem that arises, when you look up the Doon Reel on The Session dot Org, is that there are two different reels called The Doon. As a Beginner, do you really need to step into this at a session?
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that there are two different reels called The Doon


There is a whole rake of Doon reels. Padraig O'Keeffe got a lot of music from his uncle, Cal O'Callaghan. Most of it nameless, O'Keeffe named the tunes after O'Callaghan or the place he lived in : Doon. I think I heard mention of seven Doon reels.

In this context I would guess DFAF BFAF DFAF E3 is the one they were aiming for but even of that one I have two quite distinct versions (one from Mick O'Connor and the Castle Ceili band : D2 FA BdAF DFAF GE E2)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:05 pm 
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an seanduine wrote:
As a Beginner, do you really need to step into this at a session?
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Ah, another session rite of passage: The opportunity to tell a story in a tune name... I remember as a relative newcomer being handed the honor in our session. We regularly played the jig we then called "Mist on the Meadow, also called the Moving Bog of Powellsboro by Kevin Henry, not to be mistaken for Mist on the Mountain, which is a different tune entirely." That simple statement delivered with a smile was educational for me as well as the persons who asked the question. It gave us both the sense that names matter, it is sometimes complicated, and it is fun to learn the back story. Over the 20+ years that tune has been played at that session the name has been simplified to Castlebar Races. Only on great occasion have I ever heard, "We call it Castlebar Races, but we used to call it..." :)

I'd find out which Doon Reel the Oaim folks forgot to record, learn it if I liked it, and when asked "What's the name of that one?"-- there's the opportunity to tell a story of the resource that is C&F, the responsiveness of Oaim, that there is a whole rake of Doon reels and of Padraig O'Keeffe's role in naming them. Condense it into a sentence or two delivered with a smile, and people may appreciate that you are serious enough to do some digging, and perhaps be encouraged to remember the name of that favorite tune they've been playing for years without knowing what to call it.


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:) :) :) Busterbill, yes, I do love the lore. . .but beginners generally have their hands full at first. Many years ago, starting out, I was a pest to a fiddler named Jan who seemed to know any number of tunes at our local sessions. Everytime I asked the name of some lovely melody, I would be met with a blank stare and a shrug. She was a total tunehead and knew the music but not the names. . .I soon had a large collection of tunes, and later recordings of a large number of tunes by the name 'effedino'! The joys of starting out without TunePal :D :D :D .

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We regularly played the jig we then called "Mist on the Meadow, also called the Moving Bog of Powellsboro by Kevin Henry, not to be mistaken for Mist on the Mountain, which is a different tune entirely."


That a nice bit of confusion. I originally took up the first one as 'Mist on the meadow' when I got it from Jackie Daly, who had that name for it. We played it for the sets for years. Eventually I recorded it with a friend under that title. Then BrĂ­d O Donohue recorded it, we played it at her house a few times, and she had Nicky McAuliffe check the names for her CD. He came up, correctly ofcourse, with 'The Maid of Castlebar' (which is the more common name for the Moving Bog of Powellsboro) . I then looked into it a bit further, embarrassed to get it wrong on a recording, and realised John McKenna recorded the two (Maid of Castlebar/Mist on the Meadow) on a 78rpm and that Jackie had accidentally switched the names. So there. Glad to hear it's a not uncommon mistake to make.

I already have two reels that go by 'The Moving Bog' (although one has a good alternative name in 'Miss Wallace') so I'll keep away from that one.

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