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Author:  benhall.1 [ Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Not wrong, just different

Peter Duggan wrote:
The tab's in a different key. The notation's in A minor* and the tab's in E minor*. (*Aeolian.)

Is it? I must have been reading it wrong. I told you I wasn't very good at tab. :oops:

Author:  StevieJ [ Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Not wrong, just different

Polara Pat wrote:
Just curious (like a new born baby) what constitutes a gimmicky tune?


I would say this one is gimmicky because the first part is less of a melody than it is riffing on on a chord progression, which is not how traditional tunes are constructed, for one thing, and for another, the sequence of chords stated (Am-F-G) really belong in rock music rather than in trad. (Anyone who has ever strummed a guitar has discovered that the Am-G-F sequence underlies a barrowload of songs and ridiculously easy to jam/blow/wail away on top of.) Using it in a trad context is just a cheap thrill. :D

Author:  colomon [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Not wrong, just different

StevieJ wrote:
In the second bar, once you have established your F-natural on the long first note by half holing, thus (v indicating the half-covered hole):

[| xxx xvo]

then leave the first and second fingers of your bottom hand where they are while you play the remainder of the bar. This gets rid of the difficulty of hitting the F-natural accurately in the "pedal" bits.

This is a brilliant fix for the first part -- now I want to find a decent tune with that pattern in it ;) -- but doesn't help with the F-natural roll (followed by E and F-natural again, double ugh) in the second part. I can remember pre-teen Sean Gavin celebrating in delight because he figured out how to do an F-natural roll on whistle, but I've not the slightest clue how he actually did it.

Author:  Polara Pat [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Not wrong, just different

Alright, just to get back on track, my buddy plays this one in D minor on his B/C box. So that's what I'll have to try and match.

Author:  Peter Duggan [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Not wrong, just different

C whistle with the E minor fingering (tab) or F whistle with the the A minor fingering (staff notation).

Author:  Polara Pat [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Not wrong, just different

Peter Duggan wrote:
C whistle with the E minor fingering (tab) or F whistle with the the A minor fingering (staff notation).


Thanks Peter. I actually thought that I would need to find different music than what I had shown earlier. C whistle would be great and dumb question number 743, is the fingering tabs that I posted in E minor? I should probably know these things but I don't.

Author:  Peter Duggan [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Not wrong, just different

Polara Pat wrote:
is the fingering tabs that I posted in E minor?

Yes. It's technically Aeolian mode because there's no sharpened seventh, but most people just call it minor. So playing your tab on a whistle pitched a tone lower (i.e. C rather than D) will give you the same drop to D minor.

Author:  Polara Pat [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Not wrong, just different

Peter Duggan wrote:
Polara Pat wrote:
is the fingering tabs that I posted in E minor?

Yes. It's technically Aeolian mode because there's no sharpened seventh, but most people just call it minor. So playing your tab on a whistle pitched a tone lower (i.e. C rather than D) will give you the same drop to D minor.


Cheers

Author:  pancelticpiper [ Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Not wrong, just different

colomon wrote:
the F-natural roll


Keep in mind that putting in rolls is up to the discretion of the player. So you can put in a roll where you want, and do an alternative to a roll where you want.

Nevertheless it's easy to do a roll-like thing on F: play a pair of cuts rather than a cut and a pat. It's the same sort of thing you'll hear many players doing on D.

Author:  colomon [ Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Not wrong, just different

pancelticpiper wrote:
colomon wrote:
the F-natural roll
Nevertheless it's easy to do a roll-like thing on F: play a pair of cuts rather than a cut and a pat. It's the same sort of thing you'll hear many players doing on D.

F-natural "cran", that's easy enough all right! Nice.

Author:  pancelticpiper [ Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Not wrong, just different

colomon wrote:
F-natural "cran", that's easy enough all right!


Well not a cran per se, which would have three cuts, but a roll with two cuts rather than a cut and a pat:

XXX XDO
OXX XDO
XXX XDO
XXO XDO
XXX XDO

in other words the low-hand finger positions don't change, in like manner to when you're doing the "rocking" phrase, moving upper-hand fingers but leaving the lower-hand fingers the same.

The two cuts could be any upper-hand notes in any order. The important thing is the timing.

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