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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:57 pm 
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I know, it's sideways. Just tilt your head.

So, my friend who plays accordion with me is out of the country right now and we agreed to learn a reel apart then see how close we are when he gets back. We chose Tam Lin (Glasgow)reel and I found this version since I'm still not very good at reading music. I did my best to listen to a lot of variations of the tune and then set to work learning this version. I can play it alright at very slow speed but then when I went back to listen to a few different versions again I realized that I wasn't even close. Well, maybe slightly close. I watched a few whistlers in slow-mo and we are definitely playing a different tune. I'm aware that there are endless versions of every tune but when I hum this one to myself it isn't what I've been practicing. Whoops. This is just an observation. Not really looking for help or to start a debate unless you really need to. :D


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Caveat: I'm not very good at reading tab.

Having said that, that tab doesn't look right. The tab for all of the Cs looks to me as if it would produce Gs. Also, it's not clear - to me, at least - that you've got to half hole in order to produce the Fnats. I haven't gone any further than that. Reading it sideways gives me a crick in my neck and, as I've said, I'm not too good at tab, and I'm guessing that it's the tab that you're using and that's why you're not playing it right.

It's a terribly difficult tune to play in that key on a D whistle. Personally, I wouldn't do it. (I mean, personally, I would never pay the horrible, nasty thing in the first place, but that's another matter.)

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The tab's in a different key. The notation's in A minor* and the tab's in E minor*. (*Aeolian.)

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For a (low I hope) G whistle? Does the original say?


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Wow yes as everyone has pointed out the TAB does not match the written notes. You're looking at two different key signatures.

But seriously, it would be a basic courtesy to post the thing facing the right way. It's annoying to have to try to read it sideways


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Wow yes as everyone has pointed out the TAB does not match the written notes. You're looking at two different key signatures.

But seriously, it would be a basic courtesy to post the thing facing the right way. It's annoying to have to try to read it sideways




Tilting my Mac Book sideways didn't help because I can't read music. But I had to do it anyway. :D


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It's annoying to have to try to read it sideways


Save image, rotate. :poke:

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Mr.Gumby wrote:
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yeah, i know how to do that. Notice the part where I mentioned courtesy to the people you are asking a favor of?


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Notice the part where I mentioned courtesy to the people you are asking a favor of?


I did. But not everybody knows how to work things on the interwebs. It's just as easy to make a case for extending the courtesy of allowing for that and not have a go, Especially when the problem is easily dealt with. Wrong side of the bed day, we allow for those as well, sometimes. We all have them, after all.

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Mr.Gumby wrote:
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Notice the part where I mentioned courtesy to the people you are asking a favor of?


I did. But not everybody knows how to work things on the interwebs. It's just as easy to make a case for extending the courtesy of allowing for that and not have a go, Especially when the problem is easily dealt with. Wrong side of the bed day, we allow for those as well, sometimes. We all have them, after all.


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Appologies folks. Not trying to piss in everybody's mints. I'll try to find proper music to play this (terrible?) tune on my high D.


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Storm in a teacup.

And it doesn't matter what key you play a tune in. As long as the people you're playing with do the same, ofcourse.

Last night for example I had a notion of playing the second Matt Peoples reel a tone down. Lovely. And I just realised the first part, when played that way, is very close to the first part of The West Clare Railroad. I wonder if Junior knew, when he composed the latter. But never mind, carry on.

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I'm surprised to see that the tablature has a little down arrow to indicate the first octave. I would have expected an up arrow for the second, but there you go.

Pat, the tune is easier in Em (as per the tablature on your photo) because you don't have to deal with half-holing the F naturals. But the first part comes out sounding higher than the second, which is not so great.

So I think it would be better for you to learn it in Am as shown in the dots, not the tab. Good practice to get used to playing F-naturals. Perhaps some kind soul on here can produce the tune for you in Am whistle tablature?

BTW it will be nice and easy for your friend to play it in Am on his B/C box. But the best key for it on that system would be Dm, low and growly, and even easier. (You'd need a low A whistle to play along with him in that key, using the Am fingering I am proposing that you learn, if you see what I mean.)

It's a gimmicky tune all right, but no harm in learning it and playing it until you get tired of it. :)


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BTW, as to it being "terribly difficult" on the whistle in Am, the only real difficulty goes away if you try this trick.

In the second bar, once you have established your F-natural on the long first note by half holing, thus (v indicating the half-covered hole):

[| xxx xvo]

then leave the first and second fingers of your bottom hand where they are while you play the remainder of the bar. This gets rid of the difficulty of hitting the F-natural accurately in the "pedal" bits.

Keeping those fingers down will make your A and your C-natural slightly flat, but you will probably find it's a reasonable price to pay for making the tune relatively easy instead of terribly difficult.


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[quote="Mr.Gumby"]Storm in a teacup.

And it doesn't matter what key you play a tune in. As long as the people you're playing with do the same, ofcourse.

Good point. I should find out what key he is learning it in.


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StevieJ wrote:
BTW, as to it being "terribly difficult" on the whistle in Am, the only real difficulty goes away if you try this trick.

In the second bar, once you have established your F-natural on the long first note by half holing, thus (v indicating the half-covered hole):

[| xxx xvo]

then leave the first and second fingers of your bottom hand where they are while you play the remainder of the bar. This gets rid of the difficulty of hitting the F-natural accurately in the "pedal" bits.

Keeping those fingers down will make your A and your C-natural slightly flat, but you will probably find it's a reasonable price to pay for making the tune relatively easy instead of terribly difficult.


Very helpful!! I'll give that a go. Just curious (like a new born baby) what constitutes a gimmicky tune? I actually don't know. Hah This particular one was suggested and I proceeded to listen to it.


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