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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:54 am 
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I guess you could :D with ornaments. :shock: :)


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I guess you could with ornaments.


I don't know what that means. And frankly, I don't think you do yourself either. To be honest, instead of just playing the way you want (and why wouldn't you, who is going to stop you) you are trying to legitimise it by repeating an argument used on internet forums time and again without actually giving the impression you have actually listened to pipers playing.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:20 pm 
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I learned throat vibrato (or rather diaphragm vibrato).


@Sedi, thanks for the response just going out so I'll respond more fully later, but I'd like to address the above quickly.

The 'or rather' tends to imply that you consider throat/diaphragm vibrato as synonymous, sorry I consider them (and was taught them) as entirely separate techniques.

Diaphragm vibrato would be too much on a narrow bore instrument like whistle, I'd only use that on Alto sax and beyond.


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Mr.Gumby wrote:

I don't know what that means. And frankly, I don't think you do yourself either. To be honest, instead of just playing the way you want (and why wouldn't you, who is going to stop you) you are trying to legitimise it by repeating an argument used on internet forums time and again without actually giving the impression you have actually listened to pipers playing.


Here we go ...


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:24 pm 
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One person just made it on my ignore list, but to answer your question:
I think that was just a misunderstanding or I worded it wrongly. I know they are different techniques. Just meant that I use diaphragm vibrato and not throat vibrato. Also on D whistles BTW. Works fine for me :) .


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Sedi wrote:
I learned throat vibrato (or rather diaphragm vibrato)...

These are decidedly not identical, so it won't do to suggest that one is the same as the other. Throat vibrato is done by a rapid, repetitive closing/fluttering in the throat itself and the diaphragm has nothing to do with it other than supplying air pressure as usual. Diaphragmatic vibrato, OTOH, uses an unobstructed, more or less relaxed throat and the tonal modulation is done in the abdomen.

The first time I encountered throat vibrato was from a fellow on low whistle, and the effect was unattractive in that it was rattly and noisy, an "uh-uh-uh-uh" sort of delivery. There are various means to accomplish vibrato, but these will depend on the instrument. For flute and whistle, my recommendation is to avoid throat vibrato like the plague.

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Yep, I know it's not the same. It's just my poor English :oops: . I meant I learned diaphragm vibrato and not throat vibrato (which I think I can't even do at all).


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Nanohedron wrote:

The first time I encountered throat vibrato was from a fellow on low whistle, and the effect was unattractive in that it was rattly and noisy, an "uh-uh-uh-uh" sort of delivery. There are various means to accomplish vibrato, but these will depend on the instrument. For flute and whistle, my recommendation is to avoid throat vibrato like the plague.


I find if I attempt diaphragm on anything smaller than Alto sax, the vibrato is too 'broad' (not sure that's the correct word.) but I can produce a (so I'm told) very tasteful, controlled vibrato with throat from top to bottom of the whistle without all that finger flapping stuff (which only works properly on the bottom three holes anyway)


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One person just made it on my ignore list, but to answer your question:
I think that was just a misunderstanding or I worded it wrongly. I know they are different techniques. Just meant that I use diaphragm vibrato and not throat vibrato. Also on D whistles BTW. Works fine for me :) .


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But does that mean you can't play non-legato or staccato runs on them? :really:

I know lots of people who can't... :P

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UP Munster! :D

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