transposing question

[talasiga]

yes Hans, but such digressions will not help a confused person grasp
why, in every instance, a OXX OOO on a diatonic whistle gives you a note a semitone lower than OOO OOO.

Put it another way.

The semitones in order are
A Bb B C Db D Eb E F Gb G Ab etc
or
A A# B C C# D D# E F F# G G# etc

OXX OOO will obtain the semitone below
whatever your OOO OOO is.

[tucson_whistler]

Tucson, on the D whistle, you are playing this tune in G. G has only one sharp, F# and the C# on your D whistle is flattened to Cnat by half-holing the top hole or playing oxx ooo. On a C whiste, you will play the tune in F, which has one flat, Bb. You get Bb on a C whistle by half-holing the top hole or playing oxx ooo. If you truly want to play the tune in C, get a G whistle and use the same fingerings as above. Hope this helps.

dear Walrii,

i don't know why i didn't just pm you to begin with; i knew you would know.

"if you truly want to play the tune in c"--that's what i'm wondering about. could you say some more about that: why would playing the same fingering on a g whistle put it in C major? i guess the half-holing fingering would would out to play that note as a nat?

thanks...

eric

[Denny]

because on a G whistle

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F# OOO OOO
F  OXX OOO

G has one # )F_
if ya flat it ya got C

[hoopy mike]

(at this point we can happily digress into the topic of who owns tones and semi tones, or, better, start a lengthy discourse about the differences of equally tempered and the different kinds of just intoned semi tones)

Or say "go and look at the keys on a piano!"

[tucson_whistler]

ok, so if i transpose the song into c major by playing it as i would finger it on a D whistle on a G whistle (with me so far? , then couldn't i play the song in c major on a c whistle?

and/or would i do that by just changing the fingering of the c nat on the d whistle to a b nat on the c whistle or to "transpose" the song correctly (not sure what that means here) would i have to adjust the fingering to that i'm playing the same notes? ie, instead of fingering the song:

G XXX OOO
A XXO OOO
B XOO OOO
D XXX XXX
B XOO OOO
C OXX OOO
B XOO OOO
A XXO OOO

etc, on a d whistle, this on a c whistle:

G XXO OOO
A XOO OOO
B OOO OOO
D XXX XXO
B OOO OOO
C XXX XXX
B OOO OOO
A XOO OOO

so i get that if i keep the d fingering on a c whistle i get F major (a Bb); but then if i change the fingering to this i get c major don't i? or is it technically still g major (played on a c whistle)?

or am i bad and wrong to even think this? or maybe none of this really matters... ? (since there's no f# in the song...)

[Denny]

(at this point we can happily digress into the topic of who owns tones and semi tones, or, better, start a lengthy discourse about the differences of equally tempered and the different kinds of just intoned semi tones)

Or say "go and look at the keys on a piano!"

add a whole visual thing to it

[hoopy mike]

(at this point we can happily digress into the topic of who owns tones and semi tones, or, better, start a lengthy discourse about the differences of equally tempered and the different kinds of just intoned semi tones)

Or say "go and look at the keys on a piano!"

add a whole visual thing to it

If that doesn't work, go look at a horse!

[Denny]

no! they don't do chords/notes/intervals

they do percussion

[NicoMoreno]

anyway, i learned the song the quakers wife out of it

I'm pretty sure Bill Ochs tinwhistle tutorial doesn't have any songs in it. It only has tunes.

Otherwise, you are thinking too hard about this transposition thing. If you play a tune with D fingering on a D whistle, it will come out in C on a C whistle with the same fingering, Bb on a Bb whistle, etc. That's why we call them by those names.

If you play a tune with G fingering on a D whistle it will come out in F on a C whistle with the same fingering, Eb on a Bb whistle, etc, and hence C on a G whistle.

[WyoBadger]

anyway, i learned the song the quakers wife out of it

I'm pretty sure Bill Ochs tinwhistle tutorial doesn't have any songs in it. It only has tunes.

Ah, thank you. I was scared to death we were going to get through an entire thread without anyone correcting that.

[hoopy mike]

no! they don't do chords/notes/intervals

they do percussion

Maybe I was thinking of a don-key.

[Tommy]

anyway, i learned the song the quakers wife out of it

I'm pretty sure Bill Ochs tinwhistle tutorial doesn't have any songs in it. It only has tunes.

Otherwise, you are thinking too hard about this transposition thing. If you play a tune with D fingering on a D whistle, it will come out in C on a C whistle with the same fingering, Bb on a Bb whistle, etc. That's why we call them by those names.

If you play a tune with G fingering on a D whistle it will come out in F on a C whistle with the same fingering, Eb on a Bb whistle, etc, and hence C on a G whistle.

That is making it to simple, but loosing the spirit of this thread.

[hoopy mike]

If you play a tune with G fingering on a D whistle it will come out in F on a C whistle with the same fingering, Eb on a Bb whistle, etc, and hence C on a G whistle.

What if my hands are bigger than usual - will that change the key?

[crookedtune]

No, the other extremities will compensate.

[Denny]

no! they don't do chords/notes/intervals

they do percussion

Maybe I was thinking of a don-key.

ya, more ears der, eh!