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[Brian Boru]

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This is a set of recorders.

If one collects recorders do they have the fipple obsession that can't be named?

[TheSpoonMan]

There were six-hole fipple flutes in Europe before the recorder, and they were pretty similar to recorders from the same time, so that it seems like the recorder was developed out of some kind of whistles.

If you look at the fingering for the first octave key of D scale on a C recorder, you'll see there's a vestigal D pennywhistle in there.

The fingering is the same, except maybe for a crossfingered F#. Then, if you look at the fingering for the key of G scale, you'll see again, the fingering is the same, except for the crossfingered Cnat, you use OXO OOOO on the recorder instead of OXX OOO that a lot of whistles use.

Best wishes,
Jerry

Actually, it's the Fnat that's cross-fingered, so except for Cnat, from D-C# the fingerings are exactly the same (O|OXX|OOOO is actually an alternate B)

Oh, unless you mean those wierd recorders with the straight F... but does anyone actually play those?

[Cynth]

One of the special events coming up at Grinnell College is a concert by Quartet New Generation. I'm really looking forward to it.

[cutterpup]

There were six-hole fipple flutes in Europe before the recorder, and they were pretty similar to recorders from the same time, so that it seems like the recorder was developed out of some kind of whistles.

If you look at the fingering for the first octave key of D scale on a C recorder, you'll see there's a vestigal D pennywhistle in there.

The fingering is the same, except maybe for a crossfingered F#. Then, if you look at the fingering for the key of G scale, you'll see again, the fingering is the same, except for the crossfingered Cnat, you use OXO OOOO on the recorder instead of OXX OOO that a lot of whistles use.

Best wishes,
Jerry

Actually, it's the Fnat that's cross-fingered, so except for Cnat, from D-C# the fingerings are exactly the same (O|OXX|OOOO is actually an alternate B)

Oh, unless you mean those wierd recorders with the straight F... but does anyone actually play those?

Actually I do. It is my only one (of the 13) that fingers that way..and made my initial transition to whistles easier on my poor brain.
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[Crysania]

Actually, it's the Fnat that's cross-fingered, so except for Cnat, from D-C# the fingerings are exactly the same (O|OXX|OOOO is actually an alternate B)

You must be playing very different recorders than I ever have been. The ones I played, fingered Fnat as X|XXX|XOOO and F# as some variation (depending on pitch) of X|XXX|OXXO. Was this different on the ones you played?

~Crysania

[Loren]

I overheard a most terrible statement today. Someone pics up a whistle from a table in my livingroom and states:
"This is a recorder . . . right?"
I replied that the whistle isn't even a distant cousine to the recorder.
The other person did not agree and argued that the two at least were woodwinds and therefore closely related.
-The truth is folks . . . the relationship between the recorder and the whistle is roughly the same as you'll find
in cockroaches and human beings,-both being carbon based lifeforms.
-That's as far as I'm willing to go regarding the relationship between whistles and recorders.

Ah, well, this does explain quite a bit about your "instrument making" technique - but then, I have heard cockroaches can survive having their heads cut-off, and perhaps even glued back together, so whatever works for ya.




Loren

[peeplj]

Actually, it's the Fnat that's cross-fingered, so except for Cnat, from D-C# the fingerings are exactly the same (O|OXX|OOOO is actually an alternate B)

You must be playing very different recorders than I ever have been. The ones I played, fingered Fnat as X|XXX|XOOO and F# as some variation (depending on pitch) of X|XXX|OXXO. Was this different on the ones you played?

~Crysania

On Baroque fingering, F-natural is x|xxx|xoxx. F-sharp is x|xxx|oxxo .

I believe the fingerings you describe are for the system known as "German fingering," which was altered to make it more similar to simple system instruments.

--James

[Crysania]

Not entirely. I've played recorders that require any of those fingerings. The basic fingerings are:

Fnat: X|XXX|XOOO
F#: X|XXX|OXOO

The other fingers down are to lower the pitch if the instrument tends toward being too sharp on those pitches. On the main recorder I used to play, I had to alter both a bit to:

Fnat: X|XXX|XOXO
F#: X|XXX|OXXO

~Crysania

[shadeclan]

There were six-hole fipple flutes in Europe before the recorder, and they were pretty similar to recorders from the same time, so that it seems like the recorder was developed out of some kind of whistles.

Yes. Recorders are obvously a more highly evolved instrument, played by more highly evolved musicians.

How can they be more evolved if playing recorders gives you hairy palms?

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